i read the other day on these forums about einsteins (i think) theory on the afterlife. it is a scientific fact that energy cannot be destroyed, for example, if you turn on a light, the electric energy turns into light, heat and a little sound energy. this energy will either continue to be this kind of energy forever or at some point be turned into a different kind of energy, there is no way (as yet known, of course) to destroy energy. so where does our energy go when we die? the human body has a lot of energy, it doesnt seem to suddenly leave our bodies when we die. this was einsteins way of proving the afterlife,he reasoned that the energy must go somewhere.. thoughts/opinions?
Your body becomes earh and dirt, so that's where some of it goes. The other part (your soul) most likely will land in the neverlands (is that how it's called?), and than, some day, when it's ready, be reincarnated into another living thing, whether it be on earth or not.
well, its actually just an incorrect application of one of the primary laws of physics. it is incorrect because it assumes the soul is an energy governed by physics. it is not. physics sees the soul as chemical potential energy, and electrical energy (the brain). when you die, these energies are not destroyed, the chemical potential stays there, and the electrical energy dissipates into the surrounding matter (it probably doesnt get as far as leaving the brain though, until that decomposes) and energy cannot be destroyed. but you can get rid of energy. energy can turn into matter, though it generally only happens the other way around in our environment. and my intuition says that einstein didnt really make this theory, and that it was simply a misconception of various comments made by scientists and modified to support religion.
I believe it was Dr. William MacDougall would did a study on something like this. He placed patients who were about to expire on a table with a very sensitive scale. He monitored their weight up until the exact moment the patients died. All of the patients at the exact time of death, registered a loss of anywhere from 8 to 21 grams. Could this be the soul leaving the body???
I died in an accident when I was 6 years old. That was in 1959, and I remember it like it was yesterday. I heard a slight "click" as the flying piece of wood hit my right temple, and I instantly found myself within a large easter-egg shaped sphere of light. I could see every direction simultaneously ~ up, down, back, forward. I wondered where the light came from because it didn't have a source. When I noticed that the light became fainter the further away from me that I looked, I realized the light was coming from inside of me. Immediately there appeared in front of me a tall, old, compassionate, wise man, wearing flowing white robes with a flowing white beard and hair ~ flowing in a wind that couldn't be felt. He asked me whether I'd "like to stay and rest a while, or go back?" I said that I had to go back, and immediately found myself back in my body suffering convulsions. The feeling was terrible, and I felt that my body would not work very well if I stayed in it any longer. Then the old guy's voice said "if you fall off the world now you'll never have to go back." A cloud appeared in the sky that formed into two hands that cupped ready to catch me if I fell. Another voice said "You'll fall forever" so I crawled/staggered to a fence of rose bushes and hung on tight so I wouldn't slip off the world. I often regret not staying to rest a while. So ~ from experience, life itself is a pure form of what we might term "energy." It is consciousness and love in a cohesive matrix that we call the "soul." I also strongly disagree with the term "afterlife." There is life. Eternal life. Nothing breaks the sequence. Death as we know it is the soul's shedding of the body in the same way that our bodies shed skin when it is of no further use, or we remove our work clothes at the end of each day when we go home. My sig says it all ~
His were very inconclusive studies, riddled with poor controls and other problems. Anyways, since the entire universe IS energy, of course it can't be destroyed. What we seem to be looking for is whether a personal self (the ego) survives death. That's usually what people want when they ask questions like this. I don't believe so. There might be an element that does survive death, though. Perhaps energy is really consciousness, and leaving behind the world of matter, we become one with god/the universe. Or, refusing to let go of our ego (due to fear), maybe we suffer rebirth. I was thinking yesterday that maybe if one lives a life of fear, always seeing it as him against the world, that when they die, their fear of death (from which I believe all fear stems from) is so strong that they actually jump into another body. Not that their ego survives their death, but maybe that fear does; maybe that fear is what karma is, and it somehow leads to our continual rebirth, the fear/karma being passed on until it is resolved. Maybe when we've transcended our fears and accept reality (including our mortality) we resolve our karma. Suchly, we transcend death, in that we accept it and can finally experience it openly. We can see life and death as MrRee spoke of it. Seems to me, the way to do this is to stop denying reality, and accept that it isn't us against the world; it's just us: we are a part of the world, part of everyone else's world. A person who we see as an antagonist views us as an atagonist as well. We have closed ourselves into this tiny little shell of an ego, and fight ego wars with one another, because we see dual realities: the world out there, and our invented reality of what we want out there to look like (they are often very dissimilar realities). Letting go of the ego-lie would be letting go of ego wars, ego pain, and fear. We can live in the one reality and be truly alive.
Very well put indeed. There is an inherent irrationalization that empericism ignores, and that is the need to define the indefineable. Has anyone managed to define Love? yet we all experience it, feel it, yearn for it. But it cannot be shown to exist except in our emotions. Likewise thoughts. Empiricism might say that love or thought is the result of a chemical/hormonal/neural interactive cascade, yet it is a living principle, as are all emotions alive within us. Fear is one of those as you mention, and it indeed dictates outcomes. I know because it was fear that saw me back into my body in my described experience. My mother would severely beat me for the slightest indiscretions, and she would often say to me "if I catch you anywhere you shouldn't be, I'll beat you to withing an inch of your life." So when the old guy asked me whether I'd like to stay and rest or go back, I was going to say "I've got to go back to mum because she'll beat me" ~ but the moment I said "I've got to go back ~ pow!!.....I was in the body convulsing. Empiricism also ignores the fact that the very substance of our body is composed of rapidly appearing and disappearing particles (electrons & quanta) that can appear as particles (matter) or waves (energy). So existence is both energy and matter ~ experienced by us as body & soul, brain & thought, tactile feeling & emotion etc.
According to science, I assume we'll die and be a part of the energy in the atomic bindings of some dude's coffee cup or store up in one of 'em Duracell batteries, waiting to be put to some mundane task like playing really awful songs, by some totally worthless band that you would have hated were you alive, on a cheap discman or whatever people will use by then. Or maybe assist someone in sending another living being to his death, contributing to the moving weight of a gun bullet. But when it comes to reality, I guess one has got to wait and see - you wouldn't know 'til your dead anyway if you're not into one of these religions or something... ... which is totally cool with me.
I think you might be refering to my post in the "what happens when we die" forum a while back... http://hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=696792&postcount=195 I never heard einstein give any theories on it... then again ive never read anything by einstein... Anyway, just to clarify... there wasnt any scientific evidence or anything to it... i was just babbling. But thanks for the compliment. lol.
