Other perspectives: beyond veg*nisms

Discussion in 'Vegetarian' started by drumminmama, Mar 4, 2012.

  1. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    One of the side effects of holistic education is questioning your beliefs, motives and actions.

    While I think some people do this, I know many who don't go deep.
    Including me.
    After 30 and working on 31 years on a vegetarian journey, I decided I needed to ask why.

    I decided I needed to lose the label. But beyond that, if anything, I don't know.

    So I'm looking into that. I know I do not agree that animals are always to have the same rights as humans.
    I believe there is an ethical and moral imperative to treat animals well.

    So I entered "no longer vegetarian" into a search engine for giggles.
    I wanted to see what voices might be out in the world for those who left ideological dietary patterns, and to hear their stories.

    There are some bitter ex veggies out there, for what that is worth.

    I know some active posters here in veg are pescatarian, or flex. Some have been veg, left and returned.

    For those who have walked both paths meaning been veg, then not, could you share your stories and your truths?
    Please let us know the main motivation for being on the veg journey in the first place, and how that might have changed over time.
     
  2. drumminmama

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    Interesting, sandal-dune.
    May I ask, are you fully vegan or strict vegetarian?
    Does your action expand into non food items?
     
  3. Perilless

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    I was brought up by my parents as a strict vegan until around the age of 10, then they had a little lapse and became just vegetarian for a few years. They switched back to being vegan when I was around 14.
    When I left home, I found it too hard to continue being a strict vegan while at college etc, so reverted to being vegetarian. At this time, eating meat was unthinkable for me, the idea never even entered my head.

    Never having tasted it, there was a certain element of 'not knowing what I was missing'....and a certain element of conditioning from my parents which meant I wasnt really curious to ever try meat.

    All this changed when I went travelling at around the age of 23. I ended up living and working on a remote, off grid organic farm on a small island off the west coast of Canada. The farm had lots of free range, grass fed livestock that were obviously treated very well. Everyone else on the farm ate meat, but only meat that came from the farm itself. This really made me think about why I didnt eat meat for the first time, and why I would slap this all encompassing, restrictive label on myself.

    I found that I could find no good reason not to eat meat from the farm. The animals clearly had a happy life, were well treated and were not pumped full of hormones and antibiotics. They were also about as 'local' as any food could be, so from an ecologocial perspective I could see no problem.

    This thought process culminated, unfortunately, in the death of a female duck at my hands. I felt that if I was going to eat meat, I couldnt justify it unless I was willing to do the dirty part myself. The death was quick, and I'd like to think as painless as possible. The duck ended up in a stew that evening, along with various vegetables also from the farm. I wasnt overly impressed with the meat, but felt no revulsion or disgust at eating it. After that incident, I tried various other meats on the farm including beef, pork and chicken.

    So thats the story of how I stopped being a strict vegetarian :) ...Unfortunately I'm not living in such idyllic surroundings anymore, and only have access to meat from industrial agriculture. I refuse to eat this sort of meat, and so am back on the vegetarian bandwagon until more gainful opportunities arise. Everything about industrial meat production disgusts me, be it the way the animals are treated, the inefficiency of the farming system etc. (the huge amounts of fossil fuels it takes to sustain them) or the fact meat is regularly flown around the world just to please greedy consumers. So I guess I would describe myself as a very selective Omnivore at the moment...
     
  4. drumminmama

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    Thanks, periles.
    I grew up with yard birds, so I had the kill what you eat ethos before becoming vegetarian.
     
  5. JerryWobbles

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    I get asked all the time why I am veg*n and I honestly can't give a straight answer anymore....I know my body feels better...I know I did it while I was in culinary school because I felt bad about all the animals....I often feel bad about having leather seats in my car...Then after a while and a few spurts with raw vegan....the consciousness factor really opened up in me...and it made me actually get out in the world...and start thinking...I kind of think of being veg*n as a gateway into the world.....it's not just a diet to me anymore...its more of a lifestyle....I'm not saying I'd never eat meat again.....Theres probably certain times in life where if I had to, I would...but I don't like to think that far ahead....It's about right now :)
     
  6. wa bluska wica

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    I don't like to use the v-word in Redneckia. If I tell people "I don't really eat meat" they get the idea without getting defensive.

    Why? I cannot think about meat without thinking of suffering. Takes all the joy out of bacon.

    You know that from our earlier conversations that I am pragmatic about things. I'll wear used leather if there are no other shoes at the thrift store, eat meat if people serve it to avoid being rude, etc. So I am prepared to occasionally swallow my sadness.

    Funnily enough, I've finally gotten my wife to stop cooking for two, so I actually get to eat a fully vegan diet at home for the first time in years . . .
     
  7. drumminmama

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    Good to hear you get to eat what you want at home.

    When I was in my beginning steps of this journey, I would eat fish to make my grandmother not worry.
    It brought peace, and she had the right to be wrong.

    On second hand leather, I'm opening up to it as it will eventually break down and return to the earth. My Chacos will not. (which I balance by wearing for years upon years. Pair one is from 1998)

    A buddy said that the choice we make as youngsters isn't necessarily the best choice in middle age.
    Heck, I've had two husbands and raised a son in the time I have been vegetarian. Let's not talk about how many places I've lived or jobs held.
    I made a bunch of silly choices since 1980.
     

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