Some things about Religion i have observed

Without adhering to any specific Religious system, i am saying this as something that seems compatible with many Religions, because it is such a simple idea, like the 'golden rule' (Confucianism and Christianity) that it is like the things many Religions say, so that it could help anyone without placing a specific conversion on someone (that is for them to decide, or the Deitie(s)). I used my Reason to understand this because i think Religion and Common Sense can and should work side by side. This info i was told by nothing and no one, i figured it out.

INTRO: Somehow, many of the things you see in life, your circumstances, your location, the people you run into even, are under some form of control so that events SEEM predestined. could be predestination, total or partial (allowing some measure of free will for us) or pantheism in real time, God(s) like a person and us like organs or cells, therefore we have free will, or creatures one dimension above us that can alter things in a powerful way like the book Flatland, seeming like predestination. Whatever is out there, cares about morals and ethics. I know this because i have seen coincidences in events in life that are too great to be coincidence, and too precise to be left by any process, but only by something intelligent.

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*the imagery you encounter in life is important. If you do wrong to someone, someone that looks similar will do that to you. but they will not look so similar, and it will not happen so soon, that you would start to notice this, i think what i am saying you aren't supposed to figure out. A Deity might also wish to make a negative or positive comment about you, this is done behind your back where you do not understand immediately, using imagery. Say it wished to call you a racist, it might show you a tall person of a different race with another distinguishing characteristic like an accent. Then later when you are distracted a tall person of your skin color with a similar accent will argue with you and you get mad, he is the earlier person using some imagery to say this, you have been labeled racist because you are angry at him. For the blind, undoubtedly, speech is used the same as sight for those that can see, as imagery. so, something 'karmic' is happening, and my information that i have, it always uses imagery - you don't just get what you give but you can see it coming if you look closely the right way. Getting involved in looking at imagery is dangerous, though, it can lead to madness. Be scientific if you listen to what i am saying, and don't assume that everything you see is some imagery directed at you, but only if there are ten pieces of evidence.

and don't get anxious. you generally only get what you give so if you are not bad you have no reason to be afraid. You will die a natural death because of the human body you are in, that's it's law. If you are killed in an accident there might (?) be a payment for you for the missing years of life. If you cause someone to bleed, you can be made to bleed. think about the implications of this. It means that people's normal excuses do not work with a Deity. bleed = bleed, pain = pain and human customs from some specific time and place do not excuse you, and your slightest act that is 1% immoral will be thrown back at you, 99% moral and 1% immoral, relentlessly. Even the small things you do you don't notice are returned to you.

There are tests, and traps to make you look bad. Religions say this.

Imagery can be used with the tests, and it is even possible to foil a trap that you might deserve, if you understand what is happening well enough. Foiling something this large is probably bad.

Your mind is being read as we speak and your thoughts are used to judge you. A Christian once said this (St. Paul). It or they reading it has an intimate understanding of human psychology.

It is possible that minds are not read perfectly, and that stereotyping and pidgeon-holing is used to judge people quicker. this is not fair. tough luck, you pidgeon hole people daily and act on it, even unconsciously. You get exactly what you get. totally.

*Your arm could be moved in a way that would involve you not remembering that you did it. This would not be too hard all you need to do is manipulate some brain circuitry a little bit, decrease or increase the activation levels of a few neurons. This means that your body, face, gestures, can be temporarily hijacked and used to test someone over how they would react to their friend saying 'x', without them or you knowing this. This is not different from something that could be labeled 'predestination' or 'pantheism', it is an old Religious idea, something new to tell you, this happens all the time, not a day goes by that you do not see this happening and not understand what you are seeing. It is constantly happening near you. Telling you this is giving some of the technical details of how vaguer ideas like 'predestination' and 'testing' work. and it is not telling you too much either. I don't know very much, just a little. A war could be started this way. If military people have never killed (it is best for 'Them' not to kill a person if they never killed) and are facing each other with weapons drawn one arm can be hijacked and a bullet sent wide, the humans react by killing each other, no excuses matter, each person who kills can be killed. this probably happens.

It is likely that there is some kind of afterlife considering the effort that is being poured into this. I do not assume that it will be eternal like many Religions say, i have no evidence that this might be the case today as i write this.

I used looking at my life and my memories to understand this. I used to be a 'philosophical atheist', and there is no way i would be saying Religion is true if i did not have Sensory Evidence using Empiricism, and enough to stun me into accepting Religion as true. I am not insane either and i think the lucidity of this post will be evidence of this, i've cited Religious materials to show that those ideas are similar, i've thought about and tested every idea i have mentioned.

p.s. i hardly believe all religions are the same they are each very different. there are many people who say they all say the same thing but if you read them you see each one is very different from every other one, 'if it were true'. You actually have to read some of each Religion and decide by thinking which is true. That is what i am doing right now. It is also very clear that science is Truth, about a trillion years will pass on this planet with no apocalypse, which many Religions do predict.

 

You've clearly put alot of thought into this.

Interesting.

 

Seeming predestined in the end just means something may be too complex for one or anyone to understand.

Science is truth? Moores law suggests nothing is ever going to be able to be fast enough to be able to work out everything at once. Paulis exclusion principle, measuring a thing changes the state of that thing itself means there is a margin of error in everything. Then there is Einstein, everything is relative to the observer anyway.

So science is truth? That there is a leap of faith built into everything

The probability that your coffèe table may suddenly turn into an elephant so mind boggingly remote you find yhe thought ridiculous. Doesnt mean its not possible, id would just be matter rearranging after all. That probability so remote it hasnt happened to anyones coffee table so far, might only happen once every 20 billion years, just means it hasnt happened yet. You cant prove it wont happen.

And even if you have to luck of setting up whatever measuring tools exist in 8 billion years time in front of the first coffee table to instantly change those tools wont be fast enough to read every little detail in infinite time.

And even if you did wouldnt be e sure if those tools affected the outcome, coffee table would have turned into a walrus instead of an elephant had those tools not affected the forces between the coffee table atoms and subatomic particles

Thats if by then anyone understands what a coffee table or elephant is and to someone travelling close to the speed of light it will look like the coffee table evolved into an elephant rather than suddenly change. To someone travelling faster than the speed of light it MAY look like it was actually an elephant that changed into a coffee table

 

Science, albeit infinitely more brave and powerful than religion, is only a best guess, IMO. Religion, on the other hand, is useful to control people who, by their own admission, cannot control themselves.

And, that seems to be most people, whenever or wherever you are.

 

Science "braver" and "more powerful" than religion? As far as I'm concerned they're merely different modes of looking at the raw data of experience. They have different domains of validity.

Science can be used to control people...but if so used, it's not "true science." Likewise, many could argue that the sort of religion you are accusing of being controlling is in fact an adulteration and degradation of real religion. Both s & r are methods of getting at the truth, and like any Information Technology they can both be used to abuse and manipulate.

 

A belief system is necessary as belief is an essential aspect of perception. Religion as an established institution is corrupt as to institutionalize is something we do with the insane. We can certainly use use common sense in establishing or modifying our belief system. The institution does not call upon sense, but looks for conformity. So unless you are fully engaged in the mystic arm or self transformative aspect of any organized religion, your experience with it will be egotistically manipulated by priests and authorities.
You may as well belong to any secular civic organization.

Every human consideration is an idea. Your obvious view of synchronicity can be adequately and thoroughly explain by a law of perception, we tend to find what we look for.

Imagery and it's cousin speculation are the gateway to your inviolate creative impulses. The measure we give is the measure we receive. The world always appears to you in a consistent fashion to the extent that you insist that it is so. We see to believe and we believe to see.

Your effects are always consistent with your premises, everything being an idea. We are way too tolerant of mind wandering. Conflicted impulses emerge from an undisciplined disrespectful mind.

Everything you reflect upon influences the tone of your mind and in turn the field effect of your conceptions. Tone and intensity are consistent with your reflections although they appear diversely, that is in many forms. We may recognize these forms only when we once and for all take personal responsibility for their existence.

Accusation or projection is the most debilitating exercise of mind that you can undertake. To seek understanding is probably the most uplifting. Once understanding is achieved then reflection upon your highest thought produces the most consistent result. You no longer debate whether a thing is suitable or not but you choose it confidently because it is true.

You can be confident of your assessment of a neighbor if you remember the I am you call yourself is the same I am he calls himself.
As soon as you disavow this fundamental recognition, then a strangers motives are anyone's guess.



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It is just as likely a misunderstanding of life. Death offers no solutions to life, it only contributes to it.

 

Great post, thedope.

 

Interesting ideas, but they seem to apply mostly to monotheistic faiths... As a polytheist I have absolutely zero problems with science.

 

Agreed, thorsvin. I'm kind of a pantheistic mystical Buddhist monist myself, I have the same view.

Not necessarily hugely pro-science either. I think it is useful within its realm of validity.

 

Both science and religion historically emerge/converge from observing the night time sky, looking for light in the dark.

 

Probably a bit of an overgeneralization, but it has a poetic truth to it...

 

Our most reliable scientific predictions involve the motions of planets. The expansion of our model of the universe emerged from celestial observation.
Celestial observation was the basis for priestly power.

Curiously the human reproductive system is lunar synchronous as opposed to solar synchronous. Solar synchronous is seasonal depending on available solar radiation. Birds for example breed in season. Lunar synchronous accounts for a monthly reproductive cycle. The advantage of the lunar cycle is that humans can take advantage of any clime being free of dependance on the relative abundance of solar radiation. Night time is dream time so to speak, being limited in our physical access to our immediate environment, darkness.

 

Joseph Campbell, "The Individual in Oriental Society"...definitely relates to the science/spirituality divide.

 

Duh :2thumbsup: Hear, hear!

 

Predestination, coincidence, karma, synchronicity, all are interrelated and touch on another level of consciousness and easily manipulated with sensitive observation.
Go thru your day looking for hints, clues and opportunity to aid others. Be open to another consciousness leading you. Whatever it is, its out there, and available to those willing to be aware.

Reading Carlos Castaneda and his books about the Teachings of a Yaqui Indian helped me see a whole different level of consciousness and being.

When traveling always be a good Samaritan willing to help another in need.
'The motif of a cycle of folk tales which begin with the hero coming upon a group of people ill-treating or refusing to bury the corpse of a man who had died without paying his debts. He gives his last penny, either to pay the man's debts or to give him a decent burial. Within a few hours he meets with a travelling companion who aids him in impossible task's, gets him a fortune or saves his life. The story ends with the companion disclosing himself as the man whose corpse the hero had befriended.(Funk & Wagnall's Dictionary)'.

 

This post, especially, like many others in this thread, shows a profound lack of understanding of science, and as such, the world around you.

And it shows just how set at odds with reality western religion is.

 

I would be thrilled if you could round out the comparisons.

 

thedope:

The first part of this sentence I comprehend completely, the second part not at all! lol

 

Death is an idea about a phenomena we observe in life.