Petition Charles Clark to resind the DNA ID card.

You can sign a petition to show your disagreement to the imposition of DNA ID system at this site:

http://www.no2id-petition.net/cgi-bin/petition.cgi

 

Having to submit names and addresses essientially gives the goverment a list of people who are likely to boycott these cards. A list for the goverment to focus on.

Maybe.

Super paranoid Maon.

 

well that thought crossed my mind too, it does seem dubious to ask for those details, I settled for an e-mail address as sufficient.

 

Especially when No2id is an SWP front.....

Wouldn't give them any details of mine....they tend to end up all over the place!

Apologies to any 'comrades' on here, I don't blame you it's your CC.


Stick with http://www.defy-id.org.uk/ in my opinion.

 

I'm not sure that NO2ID is an SWP front. I was speaking to one of their guys in the street about it on the way home today. They're much more of a broad church. The guy I spoke to was a Tory against ID cards. It seems to be more of a general protest group than an SWP recruiting tool, unlike Globalise Resistance. Either way, I wouldn't have thought it mattered even if they were an SWP front. I'm certainly no fan of the SWP, I've had enough battles with them in my local Stop the War and Respect groups (who are thankfully controlled by non-SWP members) but I wouldn't turn down any ally in a fight against something as abhorrent as ID cards, in the same way I wouldn't over the war....

 

Please explain why there should be a petition over the cards to begin with?

 

Well if you're against ID cards, then it makes sense to speak out. If you think they're a good idea, then that's fair enough....

 

Well I suppose that depends on whether or not you want your campaigns to be succesfull or not. In the last 20 years of activism it is amazing how most campaigns the SWP have set up and organisations they've fronted have failed and how many peoples identities have gone to special branch. Could it be the CC is in the pocket of the spooks?

Stop the War and Respect groups (who are thankfully controlled by non-SWP members). Perhaps you should do some more digging?

Sorry for derailing.

 

Yes I can grasp the basics of challenging a government proposal. But what is it with these ID cards that is getting people's goat? Why petition them?

 

Just to answer that point, I've done plenty of digging, and I'm good friends with all the group members. There are only a couple of SWP people in the group, and the chairman is very resitant to SWP attempts to dominate. One of the SWP guys is a sixth form kid with very little real grasp of left wing politics in my opinion, and says nothing that isn't straight out of the SWP text book. I've argued with him several times, but it's just like talking to a brick wall. Natioanlly I'm well aware of the SWP's propensity to dominate and fuck up what should be broad unity projects on the left. That's not going to stop me getting involved and trying to make them work though. I think the anti-SWP hardcore are just as divisive. I want to try to see some real unity and equality....

 

Socialist Workers Party. Largest left wing group in Britain. In Scotland they support the Scottish Socialist Party though. As a result of their size they tend to try to dominate all the other groups. It's sometimes hard to work with them, but I think we need to. The left's too divided....

 

The greatest threat to the left in this country and run by MI5.

 

I admire your positive outlook.

 

Ok well the first thing to pop into my head to compare them too is the ID cards used in Africa becore the Partide. Every non-white African HAD to carry one, caught without one meant severe punishment. It was a way of segrigating the "good" from the "bad" everything u ever did, said, worked on, learnt and people you knew would have been kept on file under a number of which you were known... like a prison number. This doesnt sound like freedom to me.

 

Similar to Nazi Germany too

 

ah yes. Im sorry but to me, with my mind set of im an individual living along side many other individuals.... it doesnt sound like a nice idea to become a number of the masses. Heck im already enough of a statistic, im on some police record for things that have meant no harm or pain to others... basically protesting... and to me i feel like slowly my right for life is being taken away from me.

 

I just can't help but get the feeling that theses cards, and the information they carry, could be used negatively and in a way which strips an individual's liberties. Assuming I was interested in obtaining a card, then I'd at least want assurance that the technology would never be used unscrupulously against me. Clearly a promise which can't be given. I watched the film 'Enemy Of The State' a couple of days ago and that's got me even more sceptical about the ID cards plan.

 

Of course they could. Governments never want more information about people in order to help them. They want more information about people in order to control them and manage them. At the moment, we have most of our liberties protected by law. That may not always be the case. If it changes, ID cards will be a fantastic tool to use against us.

 

If this gets the lazy bastards in council estates of their arses and helps them become a positive member of their community (get a job) and hopefuly raises the level of intrest because they see that they are a valued and respected member of society.(because it is hard to cheat the system) then on this one issue i am all for it.

 

Yeah, and with any luck it'll make those coons, pakis and wops get of their lazy coloured arses and look for honest jobs instead of robbing people's homes, stealing cars, selling drugs and opening corner shops too.