True, but it goes both ways. We get higher yeilds, the crops grow far more widely than they ever would have without us. Rats have three whole new contintents to colonize (the americas and australia). Cows still, they exist in far greater numbers, even if they are in factory farms. Evolution has this thing where successful animals reproduce more. All our domestics have reproduced greatly. Yes, the selective factors are artificial now, but still... But aside from this point in principle, I agree with you.
Yeah, you're right, it makes no sense to argue amongst ourselves since I'm sure we have the same ultimate goal-to better the environment and our lives. I do see what you're saying and I agree that being negative can turn people away from the cause.
if you folks believe that human are cancer why don't you practice what you preach and commit suicide? may be people will listen to you and improve the environment
What a foolish suggestion. The people who feel this way are likely to be the people who are treading lightly on the earth. It's the pig consumer-obsessed that should off themselves. They are the ones sucking the earth dry.
it is a foolish suggestion and recently eviro nuts suggest that we get rid of out toilets and use pit latrines which are breeding grounds for diseasesthe question is how many of them refuse to use toilets
I really liked this thread, great topic, great discussion. I often think that humans would be better off without the unique abilities we're blessed/cursed with. In general, when it comes to bigger issues than our own neighborhood, we haven't got the wisdom to wield the powers we posses and tend to fire away blindly way beyond our limit of vision. Our damage potential is unlimited. (Actually, not entirely true, it ends with our own extinction.) Maybe that bears a resemblence to lethal cancer cells, too greedy to just co-exist and benefit of the well-being of their host. What if they could have been satisfied growing in an orderly fashion and be set for life instead, without the inevitable suicide that's the result of their host's death? Everybody'd be happy. I think we're a lot like that - a menace to the big picture, with bigger meaner guns. Maybe we're an uncurable disease? I sure hope not. We have the intelligence to change direction, the cancer cells haven't.
Old Ed Abbey said "Growth for growth's sake is the ideology of a cancer cell." And definitely the ideology that drives our empire is a cancerous one. And I think its tied to ideas of property, monotheism, monogamy, and hierarchy that create a zero sum game. Disconnection from the land deepend the crisis. But I don't think those ideas are inherent to human culture. And though those concepts are taught from an early age within our culture they are ideas we can resist. And we can also look to indigenous cultures all over the world and their resistance to our culture for guidance . . .