14 Anonymous Arrested in US

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Basically what I have been saying every anonymous thread, about the time for diplomacy being over.

These guys are our only real hope, don't EVER forget that.

 

OUr government and our media doesn't really do a fucking thing but perpetuate the illusion that they are dong (or reporting on) everything you mentioned. That's why I think of it as nothing more than a PR department.

You say they enable corporations to get away without paying taxes. I say they get paid to introduce the tax legislation in the first place and then they pass it and the legislators try to convince (and they've done an incredible job of doing this) people that it's a business friendly practice. In other words, the corporation receiving the tax break lobbies (bribes - and that's exactly what it is - bribery) the legislator, who is already bought and paid for with campaing financing. These people don't give a shit about their serf constituents - it's pay to play all across the board. It's the same process for war, environmental issues, bailouts, FDA, EPA - it's a big money grab with purely symbolic acts to make us feel all warm and fuzzy, but with little substance. Public Relations. Your tax money doesn't go to the government - it goes to the IRS - who funnels it straight to the Fed - a group of powerful banking interests that loans every dime this government borrows with interest. The Fed answers to no one - and it's the most obvious example of the privatization of this nation. We have no real say in what the Fed does - just like We have no real say in who gets to run or who gets nominated in this country - but you can damn well bet that the corporations - Big pharma, Big financial, Big energy and Big defense have a say. Two presidents have tried to do away with a central bank and both were assassinated. If a third of the people in this country really knew or cared about the way things were really done in government, if they really knew who was pulling the strings - there would be a bloody revolution - senators' and representatives' and CEO's heads on pikes. Ben Bernanke would be publicly disemboweled. We are nothing more than serfs to the banks and corporations - that is the military-industrial complex. Our "government" and its "agencies" are nothing more than liasions to the military-industrial complex. This whole debt-ceiling thing is another sham - another "crisis" engineered by privateers to grab more wealth, more land and more power. The banks don't give a fuck if this nation defaults they win either way It's sport to them. It's a two pony race and they're covered either way.

There are people here already lined up at the gas station filling up their tanks in anticipation of the end of the world on Tuesday, and Shell Oil is sitting back laughing their asses off as they count the money rolling in - all because of this latest fear mongering PR stunt. It's a fake ass wrestling match and we're gobbling it up - and someone's getting disgustingly rich - but it sure as hell ain't the serfs.

 

18 year old whizz kid from SHETLAND (an island off the far north coast of Scotland FYI ICYDK) has been charged by the police tonight with offenses relating to LulzSEC and Anon.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14359933

 

If he was associated with Anonymous then it's just fuel for the fire; they will strike harder and to more locations the more people are arrested concerning things like this. I am starting to think there may be some very savvy, very influencial and possibly very powerful people involved with anonymous. When the time comes, I think the authorities may be a little surprised as to where all these ideas and resources were coming from.

 

i'm starting to think Anonymous is just a fad.

 

My name is Tyler Durden.

I mean, Anonymous.

 

What did they hack? I know my opinion is in the minority here, but hackers can steal people's private information. Privacy is supposed to be a right, which is essential for the small guy.

 

I'm afraid I have to disagree with the conclusions from this article. I may not agree with the stand Master Card took, but condoning the destroying (or temporary crashing of the website is the opposite of supporting free speech. Should I have to worry that if I want to create a website advocating organic gardening, some interest that doesn't agree with me (chemical company, govt. bureaucrat, hacker consortium, etc) can push me off the internet because what I'm saying doesn't match their interest.

As a writer and avid reader, I don't support censorship except in the most extreme cases (advocating direct violence against someone or thing, exploitation of children, etc). Shutting down a website because you don't agree with them is simple censorship. Just because we agree with the point of view of the person doing it doesn't make it right.

If we can't win our arguments by doing the 'right thing' all of the time, maybe we need to rethink our arguments. I'm not supporting either side in the 'Leak debate' but I think shutting off opposing views is not a road we want to go down. Part of the problem with building consensus in our world right now seems to center around the fact that people spend more time attacking others' views, and not enough time convincing us of the rightness of their own. Don't tell me why the other guy is wrong, show me why you're right. Emphasize the positive and energy will flow.

 

I agree with this wholeheartedly. Every campaign, weather it's political, commercial, legal or social seems to be done as an attack now. We can't even have a congressional debate about the way to increase corn production that involves a single positive note, it's all "You are going to starve everyone, and crash the economy!" "Well you are going to cause a plague!" it leaves us always feeling like we have to choose the lesser of two evils.

 

*sigh* That's exactly what they're doing which has led to this course of action. How on earth do you suggest that we go about making a difference or even a statement if we don't mount some sort of offensive against the corruption in the world?

As for this "attacking" mentality... If you haven't noticed, most people don't realise what's wrong with a particular system or solution unless you point it out to them. The government will say "There are terrorists trying to kill you all" so we (if we weren't to "assault" their viewpoint) could say "Using the internet we could create true democracy and using modern technology and know-how we could feed and clothe and house everyone in the world" (which we are already saying anyway) but how would this help people to realise the real terror situation? People would still believe that they are targets for international terrorists and are never safe. They would still believe that terrorist activity is carried out and funded by Arab people, as opposed to Western governments. WTF is wrong with pointing out that there is something wrong with something? That's nicey-nicey unproductive behaviour, it is just as important if not MORE important to consider faults as well as advantages. HOW COULD WE IMPROVE ANYTHING IF PEOPLE NEVER POINT OUT THE FAULTS??? This is more of the kind of mindset that I can't stand - confusing analytical and critical habits with aggressive ones.

I'm sorry but it sounds like you don't have a clue what you are talking about and are just raising an argument for the sake of it. Without offering a solution, I might add!

 

I've read your arguments. I feel like they're pretty condescending. The problem with the mindset expressed is that you seem to think that presented with the same information as you, if I don't come to the same conclusions then it's because I'm not as intelligent or perceptive. I feel like I do understand your frustration.

I didn't drop out of society, I engaged with it. The world isn't exactly how I want it, but I keep trying to influence the people within my individual circle through my own actions, and I believe that does make a difference. I don't mean to sound superior, because I know my flaws better then anyone, but I think you need to read the quote you have on your own post.

"It is the end that matters most in the journey but the journey that matters most in the end."

BTW, I'm not sure where you think I'm coming from, but I spent 24 years in the military and have seen a couple of things that have influenced my perspective on the world, as I'm sure have you. I don't bring up the military to say my opinions are better, but just to say that we all are coming at our problems from different backgrounds. That's what gives me the most hope for solutions. If there were only one perspective, that would be scary.

 

This is obviously necessary. This is the safest, most progressive way to induce change, what Anonymous is and is attempting to do. Change will occur, for it already has. There are sheep waking up every single day.

 

To me the whole battle is over hearts and minds.

The question is what do you what to put in those hearts and minds?

Is one kind of hatred and violence, better than another just because you can justify it in your mind?

Really, isn't the whole point to put love and freedom in your own heart and mind and the hearts and minds of others?

 

Some how I feel they should be though........... Laws should have more of an ethical basis ethics however should not be wieghted by laws... The expliotation, of working class people who live for the most part from pay check to pay check, should be illegal as well as obvious attempts to blind these people with the never ending reports of identity theft by hackers so we spend more money protecting ourselves... System backups, virus protection, identity protection that never seem to really combat us against the so called problem, its ironic to me that there always seems to be a new issue your "current" product can not fix as well as there are always "Newer UPgrades" that promiss to be better. We pay for credit reports that we have to see to be protected, supposedly, but constant checking actually lowers your score to. Large corporations, government, internet, and expection of needs in our current society have just created a new form of "CONTROLED FREEDOM" that can be hindered on a whim with use of money and fear of being one of the haves or have-nots'.. Maybe I got off topic.. Im just tired of the government continualy costing us in the name of freedom and protection, always having some idea on how to fix it and a budget to base it off of that usually ends in a new taxes, news laws or loss of funding to important programs that are need now, so they can fund this new crusade...

 

Anonymous was trying to show the American cowards that you can fight back! The rest of the world unites for it's rights that have been striped with a simple 30 day day stay home and refuse to work strike. This Countrys people are to affraid to fight back as unity, they are too dum-down with fear. In the last thirty days you have lost your bill of rights, most amendment rights, and now if you protest it is a felony and yet the people in this Country will not act on their own behalf! This year there will be a revolution right here at home.

 

Omar64 is right!
The Government has ignored the illegal acts of the removal of thounsands of children from their homes by DCFS because it is a fast income that this Government needs to keep up the wars and to keep it agencies open right here at home.
Go read and learn about some real truth that no one likes to hear!
http://anationalalertofinhumanecruelty.org/

 

NO!? REALLY?!?! I did not know that, thank you for enlightening me with your great wisdom....









........... I don't like you. :2thumbsup:

 

Much depends on who is committing the crime... you do realize that- right? For instance, police directing "Occupiers" to a thoroughfare that has been closed off from traffic then arresting them for doing so is entrapment but that doesn't count because it's the good, wholesome and oh-so ethical pepper spray prolific porcine patrol people doing the deed so it doesn't count the same as the acts committed by unwitting walk-ons to the "Let's stage justification for taking away the right to peacefully protest" show staged by the establishment.

Those wily oligarchs miss nary a trick nor a crisis to take advantage of- even if the crisis is artificial... and they get to make the rules so nothing they do is illegal because they have the power to change the rules as they see fit.