Trayvon

Thank You :2thumbsup:


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Now that you've slapped each other's backs and done the "fist-bump",,tell me,,when did this become a matter of national outrage, with presidents weighing in, with a white "kid" being killed by a so-called "person of color"?

When was there national coverage, of protests in the streets, over a white kid getting killed?

Are you implying, or stating clearly, that all "mayors, police chiefs, etc." who aren't of color are illegitimate? Biased? I mean, you did state that they "pass themselves off as,,,".

Do you think that Rev. Al Sharpie and Jessie Jackson are more "legitimate", simply because they advocate for your race?

By the way,,leave me out of this "race" issue. I'm a very colorful person. I'm skin color.

 

Whites don’t need an Al Sharpton or a Jesse Jackson because they're well represented throughout every level of government and big business.


Hotwater

 

Are you nuts?

It became a matter of national outrage when they found out that someone wasn't charged with a likely murder. Obama weighed in on it because he was asked at a press conference.

There are public mourning's all the times for deaths of teens. Growing up my town had a couple a year. When it became a national issue was when what looks to the outside observer to be a murder, was released, and that THEY COLLECTED NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE for a proper investigation to go underway.

That's the difference, not race, and I can't think of any reason for you to bring it up, other than as you said earlier 'It makes people uncomfortable'.

 

Bullshit. Whites have no representation at all. That's why there are special interest groups for every race except white people. If there were special interests groups for white people -- like there is the NAACP for black people -- it would be considered racist and discriminatory.

Racist, hate mongering losers like Sharpton and Jackson could not give a shit less about black people. They only care about making headlines for themselves. Many black people are aware of this, too.

 

What a load of crap; white supremacy is systemic throughout the country and racism endemic


Hotwater

 

Except white racism is usually called out when it happens. Black racism isn't. In fact, it's even encouraged.

 

I'm pretty sure this was a pretty common occurence in the days before desegregation, if not on a national level then at least on a local level. In fact, I think white people used to skip the justice system all together and lynch any black suspected of killing a white.

I'll reiterate my point. You do know that schools in the south were segregated only 40 years ago? That isn't very long ago. Many blacks in your generation have grandparents and even parents who went to all-black schools and ate at all-black restaurants.

Groups like NAACP were created to ensure that blacks gained equal footing after the civil rights movement. When considering the present please remember the past.

 

Speaking as an african american male with a pulse on the community; I’m confident that in 99% of all cases involving black on white crime - race wasn't the motivating factor.



Hotwater

 

if you see these guys coming after you, would you run?..

 

Nope, I'd stay put just to watch their boobies juggle!

 

Yes... They smile too much.

 

Yo, yo, yo,,,bro.

I'm certain that, as an "african-american male", "race" has to be a factor in almost everything, given the amount of identification within your race with other african-americans.

It's not difficult to understand why. There has, historically, been racism, anti-black sentiment, etc., working to create a "fortified sanctuary" within the race, people joining hands to resist the pressures surrounding them, etc.

I wouldn't blame anyone for having sought some solace in "one's own", if only merely a matter of outward appearance. Even so, there are more factors that tie the african-americans together, including societal, cultural, even circumstantial.

It's not difficult to ascertain why ANY race or national group tends to group themselves together for mutual support, and especially in the face of opposing bigotry.

You can hear it in the language used. When someone of african-american descent calls someone else "brothers", or "sisters", you kind of assume their not talking about caucasians, or asians, or those of hispanic ancestry. They're plainly speaking of their black friends and relatives. Be honest.

Even the term "my people" is utilized in this way. They're not talking about Eminem either, except perhaps as an african-american wannabe, by adoption.

Personally, I think I should be adopted as a "bro", but that's not mine to decide.

But you can't tell me that the color of a man's skin doesn't matter to most african-americans. It's somewhat like the apostle Paul. He was a jewish leader, actively going about to have christians killed, when he had a "bright light conversion", and became a christian believer. The other christians at first suspected him. He was not immediately "embraced" by them, as he had been identified previously as a man to be feared.

Not surprisingly, many blacks today suspect whites, automatically, as do many whites suspect blacks, for this kind of stereotyping. It's not necessarily malicious stereotyping, just a result of having been treated poorly by others in the "other community" so frequently as to warrant a kind of self-preserving suspicion.

Even amongst people of the same race or national/cultural heritage, there is suspicion. More so when superficiality comes into play, and people ARE judged "by the color of their skin."

It's a sad state of affairs, but to deny it is unrealistic and naive, or simply dishonest.

 

That's just poppycock. How could you speak for "whites" when you have never been one?

I don't feel "represented" at all, because of my economic status. It's not about the color of my skin at all, but rather, about my economic status, and my lack of a college degree. I was fortunate to enter the job market when the degree didn't count as much, but still, I've never had more than a few thousand in my bank account at any time in my life, and have struggled, financially, my entire life. When people learn that I'm of low income, and have neither medical nor dental insurance, they categorize me often, and doors are closed. They wonder,,"What the fuck is wrong with this guy??"

That's the fact. In fact, I feel much more behind the eight ball than if I were black, mexican, or asian. I feel as if my "whiteness" and "maleness" makes me kind of "invisible", "off the radar" as far as the need for economic help, recognition, etc. If anything, it's people like me, white, elderly males, who are the "disadvantaged", due to people's knee-jerk assumptions, based solely on appearance. They think "this guy needs no help at all", and I don't get any. I'm just stupid enough never to have learned to "play the game" to "get mine".

I was born "disadvantaged" because I'm not of "minority" status.

I've tried getting medical care, and have been turned down for such things as "Medi-Cal", since I make a whopping 23,000/yr (to support three people in Southern California), which, allegedly, is just a little "over the line". So, I can't pay for my half-tooth to be capped, or the filling that fell out to be redone. I can't find out why the pain in my stomach won't go away. All I can do is whatever I can find out for home remedies, and to continue to make furtive attempts to try to minimize any further problems.

I don't know, nor would I want to, how to "play the system", to get free medical care, housing, welfare, food stamps, etc. while others, more "obviously" in need are living comfortably on these government subsidies. Who knows, maybe they know how to lie better on their application.

You say that "whites" don't need an "Al Sharpton" or a "Jesse Jackson", but why not? Wouldn't you want any man to be adequately, even "equally" represented? And if not, why not? I can't just go out and ask the KKK to represent me, because they don't. I'm not one of them, and don't believe in a "White Amerika". If I had a "National Association for the Advancement of People Lacking in Color", I'd be happy, but no, it's assumed that "we" are simply "okay", and "already represented". That's TOTAL BULLSHIT.

The only people adequately "represented" in this society is people with money (who can BUY representation), or with political clout (who can threaten, cajole, and demand), neither of which I have. And if I started grouping people together, on the basis of skin color, you could just guess how it would be seen.

The system is off-balance, "for the sake of balance", and people are getting left out.

Do you think I "deserved" this, because my father's father was a slave owner?

My father's father was a dentist in a small Colorado mining town. No one in my heritage is from the South, neither did any own slaves, nor was there a racial bigotry in my family. So why is it assumed, because I am "white" (not really, just "skin color", whatever that is), that I don't need help? It's racial stereotyping, in reverse. Still carries the same evil signature, however, whether "reverse" or "forward". It's racism.

It's just a preference for one "people" over another, over a superficial issue, and it seems as if none of you who are reaping the benefit are going to be honest about it, and lose the advantage. You'll fight, march, cry, stomp feet, protest, and make a lot of noise just to keep things going YOUR way, and more so, as you find that these tactics work to your advantage.

That's the fact.

 

BTW,,I realize that there are people a lot worse off than myself, which is another reason why access to resources ought to be EQUAL "across the board", regardless of skin color.

 

By your own claim, you appear to violate the credibility of your own statements.

 

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Wait. You were serious?

In that case.

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I think this is getting off topic too much, but I'm not a mod.

I disagree alot, but I hesitate to elaborate because this may deserve it's own thread, But I will not start one tonight.

But this is getting wildly off topic.

 

:hurray:

 

That depends upon how you view the context of my post. It's one thing for me to claim that I know who it feels to be an african-american, which I didn't do. It's very consistent with my assertion that an african-american can't possibly know how "privileged" any particular "white" is, feels, or is treated.

My observations concerning how an african-american must "feel", are derived from my observation of humanity in general, not from having been an african american.

Hotwater stated that being an african-american, he could say with assurance that "in 99% of black-on-white crime, race was not the motivating factor". I find that illogical, given the history in this country.

Perhaps he meant to say that race was not the primary factor, but perhaps some other factor, such as envy, over the disparity in material wealth. This would over-ride the racial issues, but not entirely dissipate them.

But it's very difficult to believe that "blacks" do not resent "whites" for their perceived or imagined advantage, and greater access to available resources (which isn't a valid comparison, in many cases). It is further difficult to believe that this disparity does not affect any intention to commit black-on-white crime. Does the criminal put aside his deep-seated feelings concerning long-term inequalities in the system, which he/she has grown up in, and is frustrated by, both as an individual or as a people, before committing a crime, perhaps so that the crime remains a simpler procedure? Probably not.


Quit trying to poke holes in my logic, Jordie. I'm one up on ya.

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