Psychedelic Bump XVIII

It was pretty nice in a nature setting, but it still had a pretty strong synthetic headspace. It was great, you still got the appreciation for everything but the appreciation for nature isn't as strong as natural psychedelics that I've tried (Well I think the only 2 are LSA and Mushies, but still). The most synthetic feeling psychedelics that I've tried, if not the most. I feel like it would be nicer indoors or at a festival or something, but damn I just love tripping outdoors!

I believe A-PVP is a pyroverlone and I know for a fact that it is related to MDPV and similar chemicals. It is also believed to act as a NDRI and from what I've experienced I believe it is. It has been sold as MDPV and was apparently the tan batch that was going around awhile ago (Never tried MDPV myself). It has also been sold as bath salts of course

Also bump for a little bit of disappointment in myself. I dosed A-PVP at around 2:30 and told myself I would do no more, the dosed again about half an hour ago . No one to blame but myself and hopefully this is a lesson learned. It's 4pm now and I do have school in the morning, but its fairly short acting stim so hopefully I can get to sleep by Midnight. If not lesson learned. It tricked me though, I thought it was much less moreish than I found it to be. Less so than any Amphetamines or Cathinones (minus 4-MBC, but that was an almost inactive dose) that I have tried. I guess its one of the downsides to having a good amount of a moreish chemical laying around. Still really enjoyable though, minus the side effects. In fact I just felt like taking more as I reached the end of this post. Hopefully the small amount of sleep I got last night counteracts the stimulation from this and It turns out to be a normal nights sleep, but that's wishful thinking ( I am starting to feel somewhat tired though). It's more fun and less moreish than Pentedrone though so I'll give it that much. Again though, this was my fault, not the chemicals. Not trying to blame the chemical.

I guess one plus is I can write long posts (probably at your guys' expense) and have a blast doing it.

TLDR: 25i feels synthetic but is a great time. A-PVP is also a great time but set limits and pace yourself, have nothing planned next day or dose early so you can sleep. A bunch of random info as well and scattered thoughts

Sorry for the long, scattered (I'm sure this one actually is ) post, and all the different random tangents I feel like I went on, but you know, drugs and all

Edit: Sorry for being apologetic Pork Didnt see that you told me to stop in your last post. Also the 'technical' name for A-PVP is alpha-Pyrrolidinopentiophenone. On a side note it is the nastiest smelling chemicals that I have tried. It doesn't really smell so much like a chemical (Which I dont mind when it comes to chemicals, since well, they're chemicals). A-PVP smells more like cheese, which isnt pleasant when its sitting in your nose for a few minutes. I guess that smell is somewhat common with pyroverlones (I think thats the correct spelling) from what I've read.

I feel it helps creativity a bit more than other stims I've tried along with some minor empathogenic effects. Maybe I'm just interpreting increased sociability as empathogenic effects, but I feel there is some. Less so than 4-FA, MDMA, or 2c-i, but still there. It also helps attention to detail of course

 

They found a "mass" in my intestine. They called it adhesions left over from previous surgery. Think of having your intestine tied in a knot, using your own scar tissue as the string, tight. Then being crimped and kinked. No food or gas passes through - still not yet - completely obstructed. Massive amounts of scar tissue and new tissue bridges from my intestine to the top of my cervix. Think beginning with appendicitis level pain then bumping up as hours and days pass.

There's no solution except to pop a bunch of prescription drugs (what I hate to do) and to come in for massive doses of IV morphine when the pain spikes. If it doesn't resolve (enema didn't help) it will mean more surgery. They will clean the bowel, cut away the scar tissue and the new connections then sew me up . Then as time passes, new ones will grow, so it's a last ditch resort.

I'm just trying to get out, enjoy the days I have as much as possible and get as much done as I can with no energy at all. This will either resolve or I'll be going back in 2-7 days. At least when I checked out against medical advice they stressed heavily that I could and should immediately return if the pain got worse or if I start burning up with fever.

I couldn't take it in there. I'm a chill stoner. Hit me with a shot of morphine and my resting heart rate will NEVER break 50 beats per minute. I had machines screaming at me all night for 2 nights. And this after a couple of pain enhanced sleepless nights at home. On the next one I accepted the offer to be doped into sleep - woke up hung over, disoriented and with a wet cough. Fuck this. Get me out of here before I die.

I'm on some sort of gravy time. They want me as an inpatient. It's making things very bizarre and lucid.

Peace & Love

 

I just saw 'EAT LSD SEE GOD' tagged on the sidewalk. :O

Edit: Spicey that sounds like a tough situation, I know you'll be strong through it and I wish you better health.

 

I'm so sorry to hear that Spicey. Try and stay strong and remember that we are all here for you.

I think stimulants would be almost perfect (in their own way) if they weren't so moreish. I just hate the moreish train of thought (New term?). "It would be really nice to get back to that point. What's just one more small line?", and it goes on until you convince yourself to do it. Thats the price that is to be expected though. Cant complain. I just really hate thinking like that, but on the other hand I do enjoy my uppers

 

Serious shit Spicey. I had a similar gut problem - 1.5 weeks in hospital, amazing pain, tons of dilaudid, fine now. Stay strong and listen (with discernment) to the surgeon. Thanks for letting us know what's going on.

 

Sorry your having to deal with such serious health issues Spicey.
Hope everything turns out ok. Don't risk more serious problems.
Thoughts and prayers with you.
:grouphug:

 

I'm sorry to hear that spicey. Keep your head up.

 

spicey, my aunt had a similar blockage after having her appendix removed actually (coincidence that you mentioned appendicitis level pain, because she had to go through that, and then blockage in her intestines. i guess it just passed eventually.

good luck

edit: isn't a side effect of opiates constipation? i'm sure the doctors considered this though


super, really weird that that stuff smells like cheese. have you considered eating it to avoid the smell, or even to just experience that ROA?

maybe to avoid re-dosing you have to convince yourself that it's just not gonna work the way you hope it will. pretend like it's LSD or something. tolerance has already kicked in and it's just gonna be a waste of drugs. sure, you'll get a little high, but you won't get back to the point you want, [or it'll make the comedown worse, whatever] so just save it for another time.

 

The smell isnt so awful that I wont snort it. I did try a small oral dose about an hour after a small nasal dose. It wasn't too special. The rush is where this shines of course and insufflating just has the rush that oral lacks.

That isnt a bad idea but I dont think it will work for me. It does actually get you to about the same level, and its hard to believe something you know isnt a huge problem (I didnt find tolerance to be a big problem at least). I just need to set an amount for the day, or a time for the last line or whatever and just stick to it, no matter how much I want it. All redosing really does is delay the comedown that your trying to avoid and ultimately making it worse in the long run. I just have to remember that and I think I'm good

 

bumping for my best friend. last night i whipped him up a cocktail of 40mg 4-aco-dmt + 12mg 5-meo-mipt. he absolutely loved the moxy, said it was the best RC he had ever done. ive only smoked 5-meo-dmt, but now im interested in trying oral foxy or moxy.

 

First and most importantly, thoughts and good vibes out to you Spicey.

Super, nice posts man.

How cool is that? And what a really great perspective to have. Friendship indeed is really the thing that makes the world turn.
And as for your approach towards gifting her her first psychedelic experience, about all I can do is tip my hat. Well played. Regardless of what she does in the future, you helped to make her first special, a good memory. That's the good stuff right there. :love:

 

what is opiates + tryptamines like?

 

I have wondered this. Or, rather opiate-like things. Anyone ever combined Kratom w/ psych's?

 

Thanks for the kind words Voyage

Bump for FINALLY receiving the package I was waiting for. The contents include:
2CC 75mg
2CT2 40mg
2CI 30mg (Hoping it ends up being closer to 35-40 once I weigh it. My friend wants to trip again sometime and I think she would love 2ci. Plus the GI problems werent too bad for me at least)
DPT 60mg (This one will probably stay put away for quite awhile until I feel I'm ready. I just wanted to get enough to try at least once or twice while I still could)
4-ACO-DET HCL 50mg ( This was thrown in for the wait)

Out of these I have only tried 2ci. The upcoming months should be interesting

Anybody have any experience with 4-ACO-DET? Is it similar to anything that you have tried? On Erowid it says that it is generally compared to mushrooms, but 25i is often compared to LSD and I dont find them too similar. Also is it similar at all to 4-ACO-DMT?

 

First off I would like to apologize for those two posts, thanks for being removed. I have gathered all the info now and see how those were bad posts.

Not kratom, but other opiates. With tryptamines it dulls the effects and really is only enjoyable at a low opiate dose.

With phens it is a little better as it relaxes the muscles, but still a low dose of opiates.

Overall, I do not like it and have only mixed the two a handful of times.

I prefer to keep them separate, as I love them both.

 

Spicey, I have a lot of sympathy for you for whatever it's worth and I can only hope that something occurs which changes the prognosis. I had an idiosyncratic case of pancreatitis about 8 years ago and it was so painful that it put the fear of god in me. i mean it literally felt like the invisible hand of god was reaching inside of me and squeezing my internal organs into a singularity with all his force. It only lasted a few hours. I know you are strong and wise and that this will be but another chapter of events in your long life.

He took 40mg 4aces WITH 12 mg moxy? That is quite a combination, in my books it would be "heroic". Both on their own are LARGE doses. How on earth could he have discerned anything about the moxy other than how it synergized with 4aces? for all he knows he might hate moxy on its own.

though this does make me more eager to try my batch.

Nice to see you're still kicking. Closest answer I can give you is I once took around 120mg of codeine with about 1 hit of good acid and it sort of ruined the acid for me, I felt like they were both taking me in opposite directions. I feel that tryptamines are inherently about a very cerebral, cosmic experience while opiates are more of a dopey lovey dovey body euphoria, and if you pick the right tryptamine it could be ok or great. Opiates + DPT? Probably shit. Opiates + aMT? Probably better.

I imagine nausea will be a major issue.

 

how does he know he loved the moxy, since maybe he really loved moxy + 4aces? [edit: shoulda known writer would beat me to it]

seems like the consensus is that foxy is kinda sucky...moxy is "better." foxy is one of the few psychedelic RCs that i've seen more negatives reported than positives, along with 5-meo-amt and 5-meo-dalt. foxy is 5-meo-dipt right? i'm pretty sure.

pretty sweet package. i like how you got ~ one dose of each substance. maybe two. for the DPT though, 60 mg snorted is one dose, and on the small side. i'm sure it'd still be abso-fucking-lutely insane though (never tried it)

so would you dose 17-20 mg of 2ci for each of you? seems low too, but again i've never tried it, so i don't need to encourage larger doses. if i had ONLY read about 2ce, maybe 17 mg of that would seem like a wussy dose too

i would GUESS 4-aco-det to be pretty close to 4-aco-dmt, it is very close structurally. you may already know but, it's diEthyltrypt. vs. diMethyltrypt. (2 carbons vs one).

i would also guess that changing that part of the molecule (the N-substitutions) compared to changing the 4-sub (AcO vs. HO-, vs. PO-) would make more of a difference. 4acodmt is supposed to be a lot like 4-ho-dmt (psilocin) which is in shrooms (there is a little bit in the shroom, plus more of 4-po-dmt (psilocybin), which is believed to be converted to 4-ho). i think 4-aco-det, would be more different... changing the N-sub will change how it fits into the receptor site.

i guess i've always thought (without thinking in depth) that all 4-sub trypts were gonna be pretty similar. but now i'm thinking that they aren't gonna be. 4-ho-x is prob a lot like 4-aco-x (still different), but 4-ho-y and 4-aco-z are potentially a lot different.
of course i already knew this on some level, but i just made sense of it for myself in writing this post.

ANYWAYS...4-aco-det is probably closer feeling to 4-aco-dmt than 4-aco-mipt would be. going on structure...

/long post
not sorry

 

ahh i remember when i was on a dose of DPT and it was an awful bodyload but then someone called me offering me h and i went to them and did it and it took away the shitty DPT feeling and i felt ok.

also did oxy on lots of acid and t-7 and alcohol and k but i don't really know what it did

as for the kicking comment i post on forums all day nothing wrong with a question is there? i'm not gonna go out and shove 100mg 2c-e up my ass and bang up morphine.

 

You are correct, Foxy is 5-Meo-Dipt.

I tried to shoot for about 1 common and one strong dose according to erowid, except for with the DPT, didn't have enough cash. When I ordered it I was thinking 1 25mg dose and 1 35mg dose, but those are probably too low. I'm thinking now that I will just go for the 60mg which is a good sized dose. I'm sure it be the most intense experience of my life (Maybe minus Salvia). Not sure how long it will be before I get the balls to do it though.

The 2c-i weighed out to 34mg, so 16-17mg each. I have done it twice I believe. Maybe 3 times. The 2 that I remember right now were about 15mg and 25mg. The 15mg was quite mild and 25mg was absolutely amazing. I just think it would be an awesome chemical to do with her, and I'm sure she'd love it. Possibly add a small amount of another 2c to help potentiate it (synergise is probably a better word). Maybe an added 5-10mg of another 2c (Depending on which one of course).

If we don't do the 2ci, I'm pretty sure it will be 4-ACO-DET since she really wants to try mushies and these are supposed to be 'somewhat' similar. From what I've read it's more jittery and has more anxiety than mushrooms, which concerns me a little bit. The short duration (~4 hours) can also be a plus

 

poly, did you see that i dosed acid and 4aces on my bachelor party, along with plenty of beers and pot? made one of my buddies pass out and seize a tiny bit, and another have a bad trip. thought that combo would be something you'd be proud of