I had my first experience with 4-aco-dmt last night, I thought it was a little interesting so i thought i'd share. 6pm - I mixed 20mg in with a small glass of juice and drank it (to my surprise it tasted like nothing with the juice, i was expecting it to be awful lol) about 5-10 minutes later i started to feel the effects already! (this confused me because i thought it was supposed to take 30mins to an hour to kick in, but i usually react very quickly with all drugs) I started to feel really high but wasn't really hallucinating at all, i just kind of got that 'rush' or head buzz 6:30pm - I have this road sign in my bedroom and it started to wiggle around a bit, along with my TV and guitars. Minor hallucinations were beginning, nothing mind blowing though. 7pm - at this point the trip had finally fully began, i was talking to my girlfriend on msn and texting another friend of mine, and as i was typing on my laptop i thought all the keys kept moving around and i couldn't properly write, same with the letters on my phone. Reading was even more difficult, all the words would get big then small, and sway back and forth. I also noticed small geometrical shapes all over my computer screen. All the objects in my room began moving and morphing uncontrollably, my dresser looked as if it were slowly sliding towards me as the drawers kept opening and closing on their own. 7:30pm - at this point the euphoria kicked in, i can't even put this into words... I have honestly never felt this good in my life, i felt as if my entire body was one with the room i was in, the only word that can describe this is "love" i for the first time in my life felt complete pure love that overwhelmed me and took over my body, i started to think of every single person i knew or met or saw in my life all at once, and all these thoughts of joy flooded my mind, and i literally started to cry tears of joy (this kind of embarrasses me to admit, i'm not the kind of guy that ever cries, this was probably the first time i cried in years. But it was an amazing feeling, it was the first time in my life that i had ever cried out of joy) i laid there crying with the biggest grin on my face while just laughing and giggling to myself about how amazing everything was and how glad i am to be alive. Everything just felt so amazing and euphoric i can't even put it into words. I kept repeating to myself "Life is Love, Love is Life" 8pm - throughout the whole trip i had been listening to Pink Floyd, but suddenly The Great Gig in the Sky came on, and this song just threw me over the top, it just filled me with joy and happiness beyond belief, the song seemed as if it went over forever. Throughout the entire trip i had no concept of time whatsoever, i had to keep looking at the clock while thinking "what time is it? 8... what does that mean?" then i started to question why we even have time, seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, etc... none of it made sense to me. I started to question life, my daily routines, what i do and what i don't do, i started to question who i was as a person, and frankly i didn't know. 8:30pm - things started to get really intense, i laid down and my ceiling looked as if it were alive, all i could see these little patterns forming and moving around, while it was changing colors, green, purple, red, etc. i then looked at my carpet and i thought it was alive, it would start swarming and mixing together and it was growing! i could see it rise up out of the ground, so i got up and stood on it, which is when i thought i became one with my carpet and everything in my room was alive. (my carpet and ceiling continued to move uncontrollably for the remainder of the trip, along with many other things in my room) 9pm - I ended up staring into my mirror for a long time at this point, i didn't recognize myself at all, my face would keep morphing and melting out of control, my ears, eyes, nose, everything would change. At one point i was convinced i was this cousin of mine because i looked exactly like him. I then got up and looked at my room, my entire perception on life has changed, i saw my room as a prison, i saw it as a little box. With the walls and ceiling all containing me in as a prisoner. 9:30 - things were getting a little overwhelming so i decided i'd try to sleep (even though it was extremely early still) so i laid in bed, but i suddenly forgot how to sleep, i couldn't recall ever sleeping in my life before. I looked around my room and thought to myself "where am i? This isn't how i normally sleep... how does one sleep?" and i couldn't sleep for the life of me. Eventually, i did fall asleep, i don't know when though, probably within an hour or two. I woke up this morning with the worst headache i've ever had in my life, though, i'm unsure if this is from the drug itself or possibly dehydration or maybe from not eating for about a day. I'm unsure, but i was also a little bit sick before going on this little trip too. I should also mention that my face was numb for the most part of this trip, i don't know if that's normal, my nose especially, i couldn't feel it whatsoever. All in all, i think it was a pretty good trip, i did feel a little nausea throughout most of the trip, but had no real urges to vomit. And i feel like complete crap today, but... I think it was worth it, i'm excited to try this again, hoping to learn more about myself and go further this time.
Really cool read, powerful trip! Great Gig in the sky sounds like a great choice to listen to on 4-aco-dmt. Drink some water next time.
i can relate to the psychedelic effects you got from 4acodmt, although my trips on higher doses (32-45 mg) have seemed weaker than yours. it's probably due mostly to personal variation or my accumulated tolerance from tripping almost once per month for the past few years. i don't THINK my product is degraded, but who knows. have you much experience with psychedelics in general? you usually can't sleep on them 4aces DOES hit super fast, within 5 or 10 minutes for me. i think i've gotten a slight headache on 4aces, and sometimes no headache. it's def not as bad as the headache i get from 2ce or 2cb. 4aces is pretty light on the negative physical side effects. i think the stuff tastes terrible, even in juice. my friend said he didn't taste it when he slugged it back in water only. i think i'm more sensitive to taste than him.
Yea, Great Gig in the Sky was amazing, a lot of Pink Floyd was, it's all i listened to during the entire trip, who else would you recommend? But that's a good idea, i think the lack of water and food gave me a massive headache (I didn't eat the entire day because i thought it'd make the trip more intense, i should eat a little next time though) I don't have much experience with psychedelics, but i have tripped on DXM (high doses) a few times before and had some really intense trips, out of body experiences, literally floating out of my bed, going into space, etc. but so far i've only done DXM 5-6 times, and 4-aco-dmt once, but i have 80mg more of it. Are the effects i had about as much as you can get from 4-ace-dmt or can you get more intense visuals and/or out of body experiences with it as well? The part i like about tripping the most is finding out more about myself in a spiritual or worldly sense, do you get a lot of that from 4-aco-dmt?
Sounds like a great experience. To answer your question of "is there more?", god yes. My sweet spot with this molecule is about double your dose here. I have done up to 50mg and can tell you the rabbit hole goes deeper than you could imagine. Whole alternate realities. Regarding the headache, you proactively hydrate during psychedelic trips. A lot of people take a 6-12 hour psychedelic and forget that during that time they still need to drink at least a liter of water and would be good to have at least a small snack, but when you are tripping its easy to not feel things like thirst in normal ways. Gotta keep on top of the body's needs, fresh air, moving around, liquid, all this can alleviate any headaches.
Even though this wasnt directed at me, I was listening to Strawberry Alarm Clock's "Wake Up, Its Tommorow" album on Lucy, and it was amazing! Definitly reccomend that album, same goes for HP Lovecrafts first two albums. Did you listen to "Echoes" on your trip? That song was practically made for Psychedelics. Anyway awesome trip report sounded like it was a good experience. Im still anticipating my own experimentation with 4-aco-Dmt, but Im not rushing it, cant seem to really locate any anyhow.
I usually 'fast' before my trips as well but I always have water on hand and I've never gotten a headache from 4-aco-dmt the following day, maybe at the most feeling slightly lethargic. On 4-aco-DMT music that stands out: Shpongle, Jimi Hendrix, Journey (early), Tool I've listened to all kinds of different music on 4-aco-dmt tho, most everything sounds pretty good at times outside of certain moments where I feel a bit oversensitive to the music.
Man am i ever excited to hear that! I was hoping it could bring me further, i don't know if i should stick to 20mg one more time or maybe try going for 30 or 40? By alternate realities is it like, a DMT-like experience? I've never tried DMT but i've read a lot about it. And that makes sense, i didn't really drink much of anything that entire day, now that i think of it the only liquids i consumed was the little bit of juice i used to mix with the 4-aco-dmt lol, i'll be sure to get plenty of water next time, hopefully it'll help lower the nausea too. I've never heard of any of that, but i'll defiantly be checking it out and getting together a good playlist for my next trip! And ah i see, i defiantly recommend trying it if you come across any. I remember always being paranoid with psychedelics because i was afraid of getting a bad trip (DXM always gives me somewhat bad trips, and the last time i ever did it, a really long time ago, i had a really bad trip for the first half of the experience but then it went amazing afterwards) but after trying this, i don't see how i could ever have a bad trip with it. I feel pretty sluggish and tired today too, luckily i got to stay home from school because my head was killing me, could barely even open my eyes this morning. But i think i also have the flue too so i don't think its entirely the drugs fault. And those are some pretty good suggestions! I was actually trying to put on some Shpongle last night but then realized i must have accidently taken it off my ipod, then i was trying to put on some Jemi Hendrix as well but my stereo kept moving (or so i thought) and the words kept melting together so i gave up trying to find some Hendrix lol How long do you guys recommend i wait before trying this again? I don't want to build up a tolerance, but i'm pretty excited to give it another shot, this time without the headaches and nausea i'm hoping. I'm also wanting to go outside of my room a little bit, i was looking out my window last night while tripping and the outdoors looked amazing, every time a sudden breeze or burst of wind came through my window i felt as if i was absorbing all of its energy, it was amazing.
I completely forgot about this, but i'm remembering more and more of my trip from last night I remember looking at my arms, and it looked as if there were hundreds of really small red veins all over my arms that were all connected with each other, and they would slowly move ever so slightly as if they were pumping some sort of fluid through my body, and if i pressed my finger against a certain part of my arm all the veins would quickly slither away from that specific area. And i also remember looking at my hands and the skin looked as if it was bubbling at times, and it would get droopy and look as if it were melting away. Just thought that was a little interesting and it looked quite amazing during the trip, can't believe i forgot about that! *EDIT* I just remembered more! I laid down in bed, looked up at my ceiling, and it brought back more memories! I should have waited a bit before writing this report i guess I remember laying in bed last night, and my ceiling fan looked as if it were dancing, and each of the 4 blades on it would wiggle back and forth in a playful sort of way, it reminded me of a flower and each fan-blade as a flowers pedal that would dance around innocently. And i remember the two little 'strings' (i dont know what they're actually called, the two little chains that hang from the fan, one to control the fans speed and the other to control the light) would swing back and forth on their own and move around in a crazy way.
wait a month before you trip again. you can trip more often without tolerance being an issue, but if you trip too often...it's gonna mess with your head. 4acodmt was pretty psychologically tough on me the time i took 32 mg. i was feeling weird in the head for a few days after. you said that you were worried eating would make it more intense. unless you are eating a diet heavy in MAOIs, eating would dampen the effects if anything, but don't count on it unless you are eating something like an orange. THAT will intensify the experience!! (it tastes really good) if you are looking for dosage recommendations, i would say increase it next time for sure...if you want to. i dunno what kind of effects 20 mg would give me because i've never done that little. personal variation can account for MAJOR differences in reaction though. so i guess i shouldn't be recommending a dose to you since you are probably more sensitive to this chem than me, but still...i bet you could take 25-35 mg and have a fabulous time. i gave my brother 36 mg for his first try of it. might have been a little too intense for him actually...he didn't like how it left him on the comedown. the comedown is easy on the body, not so easy on the mind (maybe) dxm is actually a dissociative, which share some effects with psychedelics, but dxm isn't really a psychedelic like 4acodmt is.
I felt a little weird in the head the day after, but i think that was just an "after glow" except it wasn't really a "glow" because i felt like crap but i dunno if it would cause any psychological damage, honestly, i think it even helped me a bit. I usually have pretty bad anxiety, but ever since this trip it kind of feels like it went down a bit? I dunno though. And lol i think i meant to say that i was worried eating would make it less intense, but that's good to know that oranges help out! But yeah i'm definatly going to increase the dose next time, going for 35-40mg.
Before tripping you should eat and hydrate properly. I call BS on the oranges thing. I do not believe that would intensify tryptamines at all. As for waking up the next day feeling good, getting a decent amount of sleep, and again, rehydrating is important... even drinking something like gatorade would be beneficial in recovery.
I think he just meant that oranges are great to eat while tripping, not that they change the experience.
35-40 mg should be a good, strong experience. i worded that orange thing terribly. i meant what eggsprog said. there's that stupid myth that orange juice or vitamin c will increase the effects of psychedelics. i DID NOT mean to perpetuate that at all. but eating an orange on LSD or 4acodmt is intense
Haha i also heard that lemons help increase the experience too, is that also just a myth? Haven't ever tried eating while tripping on anything, i'm usually always to sick to eat. (But again that might be because of not staying properly hydrated) Dunno if everyone gets this, but i always feel really sluggish/gross and sickish when taking any drug except for weed, weeds the only drug that gives me a pleasant body feeling and good appetite
the only thing lemon juice will do is MAYBE extract psilocin from mushrooms during a "lemon tech" have you only done dxm and 4acodmt? 4acodmt made me very yawny, nose runny, eyes watery, but also a good body buzz.
I've only done dxm 5-6 times, 4acodmt once (so far), a lot of codeine twice, diphenhydramine once, then there's this other one that i can't recall the name of now... it had a weird name like 4acodmt, it was also a research chemical, and then weed countless amounts of times. But same with me! 4acodmt made me yawn a lot, and my nose for some reason went completely numb, i'm unsure if thats normal? My body buzz wasn't great but it was amazing compared to dxm and diphenhydramine, i only felt a little nausea but the insane euphoria kind of canceled it out.
Well to be fair you've barely taken any drugs besides weed. What you're talking about is tryptamines, and those will ALWAYS kill your appetite, present with nausea, and have just the oddest bodily experiences attached to them. My gf on 4aces said that she felt like her tongue was covered in 10,000 microscopic hairs and each one was reporting a large amount of sense data to her, and as she focused on it she realized all her insides had this vast surge of information being reported. They really connect your mind with your body (if you had conceived them as being seperate) and that's just the nature of the tryptamine experience. If you try phenethylamines out, like 2c-b, you will see they are quite different, and I have never gotten a pleasurable body high the likes of which 2c-b can give. Cannabis truly is medicine though, not a journey, just a universal salve for the body.
