You're the type of girl that doesn't want to believe all of it. Or you are part of the exception crowd that we have been talking about in pretty much EVERY post. Get off your high horse. It isn't hard to see if YOU were actually put through the types of hoops to jump through in order to 'socialize' correctly Yes we may be bitter, but we aren't bitter TOWARDS women because 'it's their fault' - in fact we are saying the opposite. it ISN'T your fault at all, but it it a perpetual thing kept in motion by everyone that is DOING it. the only way to get the ridiculousness to stop is to be aware of it. Instead of taking things personal in this thread and retorting with near personal attacks yourself, perhaps you should read from a little bit more of an objectional viewpoint (unless of course you want to point out I said YOU and 'object-' in the same sentence, and then I'll rest my case) @Lugubrious Just as easily I can say that you are a pussy-whipped fool. But I'm not into chauvinism and you are extrapolating a lot out of a few quotes by multiple posters to make it sound like it is all one collective voice. Please gtfo if you are trying to make this thread personal. It isn't about 'discussing this with strange men online' - it's about posting your own thoughts and getting a response of someone else - in case you were wondering what these "Forums" were here for... smh
If you refuse to discuss anything soon as your offended, well, you're not being helpful at all. *Also, I think you're totally sweeping the issue under the rug. "If you want to change women, go and spread the word." You just called me whiney for trying just that. You want me to go on TV and embaress myself further? LOL please. There's really not much men can do, as women have the social advantage and -- they remain quiet on it all. Perhaps I'll respond to Melia's points at some point but ah..
Well I was just explaining why I'd stopped posting on this thread. I don't know why I thought it would be appropriate to say all that because obviously no one's going to listen to me. So consider me gone.
It's worked for me, plenty of times. If you don't care about being ignored and disrespected by some silly bitch, if that doesn't bother you enough to pursue without giving a fuck, then I could see how that would make you more attractive from a girl's point of view.
Thanks for proving my point even while calling me a hypocrit. You claim I stated women were illogical but infact I stated that they use logic, until it no longer suits them. It was not an insult but an observation. The reason you could not make the distinction was because your emotions got in the way and logic did not suit you in that moment. Claiming that the observations we've made were not based in logic because they stem from our own personal emotions, feelings, bitterness, and cynicism is irrational. You can put your spin on it if you like, what you are refering to though, is our own person experiences and observations and yet who else' should we refer to besides our own when we voice our opinions of women in this thread. You can call it "personal emotions, feelings, bitterness, and cynicism" and I will call it honesty.
I personally don't give a damn about socializing correctly and I don't quite see why anyone else should. I wouldn't "jump through hoops" even if I needed it to "socialize correctly," and I hardly expect a guy to jump through hoops for me. Maybe I am an exception, or maybe some guy that I've friend-zoned in the past thinks I'm the most manipulative bitch in the world. I could have a negative view of men based on my past experience. I could sit around bitching on hipforums about every single stereotype concerning men that is perpetuated by women, but who has time for that kind of bitterness? I've been burned before by the opposite gender, and I don't choose to chalk it up as a problem with the entire gender, or even the majority of the gender. Its a case by case basis. I think most of you just sound whiny. Oops, is that not objective enough? My boyfriend didn't have to jump through hoops for me. He didn't have to spend money on me. He's shy as hell so he definitely didn't pursue me. He was just himself, and I was myself, and we found we got along and things happened naturally. There is no reason why every guy in this thread can't find that either. If men are so resentful of all the hoops they have to jump through in order to socialize correctly with the opposite sex, then why do you keep trying? You can get a woman just as easily, if not easier, by not trying so hard. well there ya go. Case in point. Men should stop perpetuating it too. See above. I don't feel a personal responsibility to become "aware" of any problem with manipulative women in order to fix any problem because its not really my problem. Some guys go out every night looking for pussy without really caring about who is attached to it. Some women go out looking for rich men to spend money on them in exchange for sex. Neither of these people have anything to do with me and I don't see why they should have anything to do with anyone in this thread. If you don't like a certain trait about someone, stay away from people with that trait instead of convincing yourself that because a few people with a vagina in your experience (hardly a dependable sample size) are bad people, anyone with a vagina is a bad person. Many of the things said in this thread by guys have not been fair or objective, so I hardly think the problem is my personal objectivity. Purp, to be fair nothing I just wrote is really directed at you. You've been fair in this thread for the most part. Some of the posters took it too far and said some pretty offensive things about my gender (a gender which contains an awful lot of women that I happen to respect and like a lot) and no, I'm not going to take it personally but I'm also not going to keep my mouth shut like a good little lady. Okie dokie fellas, thats it, I'm out. You guys are free to continue your women-bashing without the dreaded female opinion.
Personally, I feel sorry for whoever gets with me because I'm really a difficult person to deal with (especially with my "fickle" emotions...even more around that time of the month) and I realize it. Maybe it's just a question of finding the right compability.
Hey Iam new to this forum and I apologize if you feel like i am intruding.But What you are saying men apply and women decide if they hire the man for the job is the game I personally don't like.Why should it be like employer and employee.Why can't we approach like human beings.
Sending signal is a part of the game they play which i still don't understand.Why can't they be direct with a man.Because most of the men including my self don't understand women's signals,only women do.It's like speaking to a person in a language that he doesn't speak.
If communication with facial expressions was that effective people wouldn't have invented so many languages. Why speak at all?
Why, INDEED! Much needless suffering and angst and wasted time could be avoided. As far as western civilization is concerned, I blame the Courtly Love poets for this whole messed up notion of romantic love.
I am really beginning to like you(not in a gay way.lol) reading through this tread cause I feel the same way. We as men are more direct and honest of our intentions but women tell guys that they are not interested in him even if she is , because she like him to beg and beg so she could get the power in the relationship. Some of the females have said here to stop going after that kind of girls.But the problem is Almost all the women are like that even the ugliest and most unattractive. Plus What I have seen most of the time is that girls go for cheating loser guys because they talk sweet and agrees with everything the girl says and then they end up being dumped and hurt.When a honest and a decent guy approaches her without any drama she will instantly reject him and again go for a pretending guy.Why are most women so shallow and stupid.I once heard a two girl talking near me on one of them a frind of mine had a crush. What I heard is One girl saying to the other girl "I know you like him but don't tell him yet.Stall him for several month or you will loose the power in the affair"
Not accepting the fact that the games women play are so stupid and instead suggesting to date a man is so shallow and stupid.What really should happen is women becoming more honest.
Whoa whoa whoa. Too much women-bashing in here. I'm a dude, don't be fooled by the avatar. EVERYBODY is at fault; it's our personal desire to avoid being hurt, it's our societal programming, it's our fulfilling our roles...women and men play different games with each other. BTW, you can't generalize about how all women behave nor about how all men behave. Individuals are all different. I'm for more honesty, all around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxXsEFajtrI&feature=related"]OutKast - We Luv Deez Hoez - YouTube A real woman will choke me until I pass out, punch me in the neck, hang me upside down and waterboard me with her piss. I miss her ever day... =(
lol women are lazy bro. Lazy, shy, useless. Even if there was a girl that liked you, unless you showed her signs of interest she'll be far too puss to show it, thus nothing ever turns into result. The ones you do chase after feel entitlted and turned-off that you're coming on to them all of a sudden. It's all a weird checkmate. Kudos to any male that still finds some logical manner to cross paths with a logically and like-minded female. Perhaps kudos to any straightforward and non-gaming females, but I don't know - y'all sound like a myth at this point.