U.F.O. and E.B.E. on the edge of science

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by oreon walker, May 10, 2012.

  1. oreon walker

    oreon walker Member

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    Hi all,
    how do you think that U.F.O. work ?
    ,why would alien encounters (almost) allways describe bipedal/humanoid creatures ?

    for ufo, i think that a super dence/super cool magnetisied fluid like a mercury-iron aloy that dosent freze revolving rapedly inside a coil or a doughnut cylinder(forgot the exact name of this shape) made of qwasi-crystal inside the craft produce a garvitational fluctuation in the imediate vicinity, the fluid would slowly accelerate to desirable speed to alow it's confinement whithin the craft for energy efficency and ensuring the desirable temperature, magetic feild could also be used for confinement. qwasy-crystal have extraordinay hardness (more than daimond) and have the least friction of all solid. Friction whit the fluid itself would be minimised due to a temperature diferantial witch would make a thin layer of gas around the inside of the shape it's revoving in. this would result in the weight of the object being drasticly reduce (look anti-gravitation) and could allow for some MHD(magneto-hydro-dynamics) applied to the skin and souronding air to have extraordinary effect on the manevrability of the craft.

    My theory explain how ufo have extraordinay speed and flight pattern, how they make no noise or sonic-boom and how it's occupants survive sutch manouvers by nullifyng gravity to no G-forces and the shape of the widely seen crafts. My theory is short of explaining how the craft get it's energy, most likely get started by an outside source and afterwards a controled nuclear reaction like the decay of some element or mabe controled fusion, and how the craft would behave in space, since MHD woud be useless in the vacum of space, mabe the coil could be tilted to an angle to produce similar effect to the gyroscope on the ISP. more importanly, it does not explain how it may close the gap betwin stars, but garvitational fluctuation unpoluated by other meaningfull source of gravity may allow for some rip in space, making it possible under specific cricumstaces to go faster than the speed of light. yeah yeah i know instein and how it would take an infinite amount of energy to put any mass to the speed of light but hey!, good scientist should keep their mind open!

    for E.T. ,you would ask youself why no super inteligent dolphin form some other planet dont come here, well i belive it's beacause dolphin(or any other animal) will never evolve under the unique condition/specification we had/have us primates. evolution previligied a special bunch of ape whit opposable thumb, standing upright, complex vocals ect. and unique setting in a set geological time that lead us eventualy to complex emotions over instinc and logic/reason over observation. morehower, evolution made us dependent of our inteligence to survive, so we had no choise as a race to make ourself smarter if we wanted to thrive, we are no match to our natural predator if theres no group choesion and tools. the universe as we know it is made of all the element in the periodic table (go see a supernovae under a spectrometer) so chemisrty around the universe obey very much the same rules as here. if so, why would evolution go any other way than it did here ? why would evolution deffer systematicly and drasticly form our model (i belive in small difference due to the insane amout of randomness in evolution) but still they would look just like we could look in eras form now and who knows, mabe after genetic improvement of themself they could look more twisted(to our eyes) as to make us belive they evolved of reptiles or insects.

    this theory is rather humm.... conceptual if i may say, it's very logical but logic dosent nesecerly make absolut truth. You have to belive in evolution is you want this to make sence to you, as a person, i belive in evolution beacause of the overwhelming evidence in D.N.A. and the divercity of living organism can be explained by natural selection. if you belive in god and creationism, you could ask yourself if god looks the same all over the universe, since we are made after his image.

    like i said above, you must keep an open mind if you are to push the limits of science, otherwhise you walk down a path that's allready known, thus you are no longer a scientist, but someone who know what other discovered.
    feel free to leave your tought, and please no B.S.
     
  2. McFuddy

    McFuddy Visitor

    Considering the amount of sightings on UFOs, I think it is possible some may in fact be extraterrestrial in nature. The problem in the United States has been that government attempts to study the phenomenon have often been put in the hands of persons who viewed the field as a 'dead end' and didn't want to be associated with it. I watched a documentary (available on Netflix Instant View) which goes through the history of how the US has on an official level studied UFOs. The initial report, I believe it was done within the Air Force, concluded that "there are UFOs and are probably extraterrestrial in nature". Now keep in mind this was in the late 40s or 50s I think, and it is altogether possible that there may be now, if looked at by the proper scientists, alternate explanations.

    What bothers me though is that after this initial report government attempts to examine these cases have been slipshod, poorly funded, and sometimes even funded for the express purpose of debunking them - not exactly scientific.

    On to alleged encounters with extra-terrestrials. This I have a major problem with. There was a book written in France, back in the 60s I believe, that postulated that encounters with aliens was simply a contemporary example of an experience that has been reported throughout human history. For instance, in the middle ages, people reported seeing fairies and demons, and many of them, like ET encounters today, shared many similarities. And again, research into the subject has been suspect. I read a book by David M Jacobs, and he used hypnosis in order to extract 'repressed memories' from persons who believed they may have been abducted. What I'm skeptical about is that, while he goes at length to explain how his methods do not implant ideas into his 'patients' heads, he never, ever releases the transcripts from his sessions with them. I do understand the need for privacy, but surely names could have been changed. To me it is a case of "fantastic claims require fantastic evidence", and hypnosis without bothering to reveal the transcript of the process simply doesn't qualify.

    I believe it is highly likely that extraterrestrials exist. I have an open mind about certain cases of UFOs where the footage has been deemed genuine and yet there is no explanation. The whole concept fascinates me, but I think I have a duty to be skeptical and reserve final judgement indefinitely until such things can be proved or disproved to my satisfaction.

    EDIT: Oreon, I really enjoyed your post. I love throwing around different ideas on how alien tech might work, and I totally agree with you that an open mind is required to push the limits of science. I'd add to your tech explanation - but it seems to me you're a bit over my head in that area, so I'm content to mull over what you wrote.
     
  3. stash napt

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    You're "theory" for how the saucer crafts operate is already an exact design. Theoretically that's how the Nazi's v-7's operated and in all likelihood the Nazi "bell", which was probably ah prototype engine for the v-7's and other Hanabu designs drafted by the SS. All mercury based anti-gravity propulsion designs. And that was from the 30-40's. Their is in all likelihood much more advanced human designs flying around in our sky's by now.
     
  4. stash napt

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    Also I theories that the civilizations predating ancient India had an understanding of mercury based anti-gravity propulsion as well.

    The epic poem ‘Saramangana Sutradhara’, makes reference to the construction of amazing flying machines…
    “Strong and durable must the body of the Vimana be made, like a great flying bird of light material. Inside one must put the mercury engine with its iron heating apparatus underneath.

    By means of the power latent in the mercury, which sets the driving whirlwind in motion, a man sitting inside may travel a great distance in the sky.

    The movements of a Vimana are such that it can vertically ascend, vertically descend, or move slanting forwards and backwards. With the help of machines, human beings can fly through the air and heavenly beings can come down to Earth.”
     
  5. oreon walker

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    to mc fuddy,
    yes that's another point, how you are to learn if you belive your object of studying is impossible, false or simply made up, your result will likely show how you(belive) are right, espacialy if it chalenge you in a technical way far beyond what u can do, discrediting frist hand in the name of science anything that could lead to understanding/progress. that's where skepitcality should be aimed at.
    it's enterresting to see what came to become flokcolre over time, feryes, elf, leprechaun and so, but UFO hold a special place in history, as they are mixed whit the belifs present in that time, one ufo incident in germany witch inspired a painting was sein at the time as angels and demon fighting in the sky and who knows about the star that lead *les roismages*(french)to the infant christ.

    to stach napt
    im honestly having a hard time beliving in nazi saucers and sutch, simply beacause aloys used to make the craft where inexistant, extreme percision in shape and element purity for aloys is requierd, im not saying it false, but my sceptisim is high, mabe Indian were lend a saucer, simply beacause in that place and era no one would have tought of is as some kind of super waepon. however technical details indian had are surprising.
     
  6. oreon walker

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    this is something i stumbuled upon while surfing on wiki, all right to the autor:
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    Nuclear batteries in development use small amounts (milligrams and microcuries) of radioisotopes with high energy densities. In one design, radioactive material sits atop a device with adjacent layers of P-type and N-type silicon, so that ionizing radiation directly penetrates the junction and creates electron-hole pairs. Nuclear isomers could replace other isotopes, and with further development it may be possible to turn them on and off as needed. Current candidates for such use include 108Ag, 166Ho, 177Lu, and 241Am. As of 2004 the only isomer which had been successfully triggered was 180Ta, which required more photon energy to trigger than was released.[12]
    Fission of an isotope such as 177Lu releases gamma rays by decay through a series of internal energy levels within the nucleus, and it is thought that by learning the triggering cross sections with sufficient accuracy, it may be possible to create energy stores that are 106(ten factor 6, the exposant didint came out clean) times more concentrated than high explosive or other traditional chemical energy storage.[12]
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    guess theres still research to be made in the domain, more elements are still comming up and we dont know to witch extend were going to be able to engengner them.
    a good improvement would be to make the element resulting form desintegration fuze to cause a paralel nuclear reaction, always ensuring the energy output to be positive, this would be a perpetual batery, it could be achived by making sure the desintegration dont form elements heavier than iron and reducing infra-red emitions to a minimum
     

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