ADAM & EVE: The REAL story of what it was all about.

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  1. maggador

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    Source: http://www.PleiadianTalk.com
    Here is the true story about Adam & Eve and what it's all is about.
    Once and for all.

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    Were Adam and Eve being "tricked" by the serpent to eat the Fruit of Knowledge from the Tree of Life - or maybe not?

    What they really did, and what that symbolizes, is that they lived under the rule of a Lesser God, a Evil Creator, which we still do, but they discovered the Qabalistic Tree of Life - it was not an actual real physical tree or apple, that was symbolism - and they gained access to the Fruit of Knowledge from discovering their spiritual aspects, and thus became aware of the difference between Good and Evil and themselves etc. The Serpent represents the Kundalini Rising which is an effect of Illumination and Enlightenment and which is needed to receive the "Fruit of Knowledge" from the "Tree of Life". The Serpent was NOT Evil, it was quite the opposite, the God of the Bible was the Evil one, and god filled with rage when he saw that the people represented by Adam and Eve had found the "secret" to their own existence, spiritual reality, their Soul, and thus ultimately a path to be Free from the Physical Prison planet they were in.

    So as summary:
    Adam & Eve = Mankind

    Tree = Kabbalistic Tree of Life

    Apple = Fruit of Knowledge - symbol of the understanding gained from "climbing" the tree of life.

    Serpent = Kundalini energ / spirit, which ascends ("climbs the tree") to reveal the Fruit of Knowledge (truth, understanding).

    The whole story of Adam & Eve represents mankinds practice with the Kabbala, a spiritual system for development and insights, and what the results of such practice will be - the ability to understand more ("knowing the difference between good and evil", as per the bible, meaning being more conscious and aware of ones own actions and thus able to get on the "right path"). It is an esoteric and symbolic text, not meant to be taken literal as actual events or the way the story is presented.

    Below is an illustration of this Kabbalistic Tree of Life, and the different parts it consists of, where you start at bottom and work ("climb", as the serpent on its way up the tree) up towards the top (where you reach "The Fruit of Knowledge" - Highest Wisdom):
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    And here is a video introduction briefly explaining the meaning of the different parts of the Tree of Life:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFcE31vnTbM

    What all this really means, is that "God", an evil tyrant entity/deity NOT the Real God above All, wanted mankind to stay ignorant in the lowest part of the Tree of Life, only being present here in the physical world, and not gain the experience and understanding of all aspects above which would make mankind free. That's why this biblical "God" got angry when Mankind discovered the secret of how to gain this Understanding all the way to the top of the Tree of Life, where the Fruit of Knowledge is.

    As a sidenote: The Adam & Eve story is not the only place where the story is a symbolical representation of the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. As another example you have Moses, with his 10 Commandments - these also relating to each of the total 10 spheres (sefira) of the Tree of Life.

    Hope this cleared up all these misunderstandings about the Adam & Eve story and what its symbolizing.

    -Edward Alexander "Maggador"

    Source: http://www.PleiadianTalk.com
     
  2. Rosehippy

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    You seem certain of your conclusion here my friend. So convinced you are telling us all the truth. So when were you there? What did God say again?....I find it quite amusing how you could be so convinced of something based on????? Manipulation of powers to control masses....old documents? Or perhaps you would like to place 100% stock in Buddism (Lets ignore the fact that there is almost nothing save scant bits and pieces written about the man in the Pali (original) writings. How many books are written on Buddism when we know almost nothing about it in reality) An open mind is good. A bit of Research and study, even better. Personal spiritual experience is undeniable.
     
  3. maggador

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    Personal spiritual experience and first-hand observation is the answer my friend.

    Been there, seen it, understood it. Besides, it is rather obvious for anyone who know the slightest about high magick, kabbalah, mysticism etc.

    This is not news for Christian Mystics for example.

    Cheers
     
  4. Rosehippy

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    You are very interesting and enlightening. I would love to know where you have been and what you have seen. Was it the result of Kundalini yoga? Or spontaneous? Tell me anything and everything you can be bothered to. Desperate for answers. My friend and I were saved by dark entities whilst on a camping trip by saying the Lords prayer. Also while in dream state, my friend entered a room where there were people in conference. He said they were talking dark stuff so he prayed. When he did 3/4 of the table of people left and those left behind were of lighter vibration. Is this in our "heads" meaning our belief rendered that result or have you any experiences of good and evil in your life? Uncertain I am. Welcome your insight. Thanks mate. Have to go out, so if you post and i do not reply, im just out. Not declaring christian warfare. Peace and thanks.
     
  5. maggador

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    It is so much to say I don't even know where to start, I've been involved with this my whole life... read my other thread about the book I just released, which explains these matters in details along with a practical part with many useful exercises meant to progressively teach you how to ascend and be truly spiritually, mentally and physically free.

    The thread is here:
    http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=445332&f=318

    Also read my thread "External influences on your mind and body" here:
    http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=445327&f=420

    And my thread about "False Alien Beings - The Truth about Alien Contact":
    http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=445334&f=420

    And last but not least, do check out my immense website with tons of information, practices, exercises, tips, etc:
    http://www.PleiadianTalk.com

    Cheers
     
  6. Emanresu

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    maggador, I can't say that I necessarily believe what you are saying, partially because I have not considered your points in their entirety, but whenever I read the book of genesis I often think "Am I the only one who gets a different message from this than what they tell us in church?" Apparently I am not, which is good because it was always fairly obvious to me that the creator in that story isn't particularly good, and that the serpent isn't particularly bad.
     
  7. Emanresu

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    You can't really mean that. Many people have conflicting personal spiritual experiences, therefor some of them must be mistaken, therefor personal spiritual experience is very much deniable and always highly suspect.
     
  8. Duck

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    Where does the idea of the Kabbalistic Tree of Life originate from?

    I also, felt that God was the bad guy in the Adam and Eve story, and find all of this fascinating, albeit overly simplified and organized.
     
  9. Lodog

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    It's a great fable.
     
  10. inthydreams911

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    Excerpts from Chapter-16 on “Outwitting the Stars” from “Autobiography of a Yogi” by Swami Paramahansa Yogananda.

    Explanation of “the Genesis” by Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri with his own thoughts and ideas:


    “The Adam and Eve story is incomprehensible to me!” I observed with considerable heat one day in my early struggles with the allegory. “Why did God punish not only the guilty pair, but also the innocent unborn generation?”

    Master was amused, more by my vehemence than by my ignorance. “Genesis is deeply symbolic, and cannot be grasped by a literal interpretation,” he explained. “Its ‘tree of life’ is the human body. The spinal cord is like an upturned tree, with man’s hair as its roots, and afferent and efferent nerves as branches. The tree of the nervous system bears many enjoyable fruits, or sensations of sight, sound, smell, taste and touch. In these, man may rightfully indulge; but he was forbidden the experience of sex, the ‘apple’ at the center, or ‘in the midst’ of the bodily garden.”

    [Ref: “We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden; but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.” – Genesis 3:2-3.]

    “The ‘serpent’ represents the coiled-up spinal energy that stimulates the sex nerves. ‘Adam’ is reason, and ‘Eve’ is feeling. When the emotion or Eve-consciousness in any human being is overpowered by the sex impulse, his reason or Adam also succumbs.”

    [Ref: The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. The woman said, ‘The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat’.” – Genesis 3:12-13]

    “God created the human species by materializing the bodies of man and woman through the force of His will; He endowed the new species with the power to create children in a similar ‘immaculate’ or divine manner.

    [Ref: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them. Be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it.” –Genesis I: 27-28]

    Because His manifestation in the individualized soul had hitherto been limited to animals, instinct-bound and lacking the potentialities of full reason, God made the first human bodies, symbolically called Adam and Eve. To these, for advantageous upward evolution, He transferred the souls or divine essence of two animals. In Adam or man, reason predominated; in Eve or woman, feeling was ascendant. Thus was expressed the duality or polarity that underlies the phenomenal worlds. Reason and feeling remain in a heaven of co-operative joy so long as the human mind is not tricked by the serpentine energy of animal propensities.

    “The human body was therefore not solely a result of evolution from beasts, but was produced through an act of special creation by God. The animal forms were too crude to express full divinity; the original man and woman were uniquely given a tremendous mental capacity – the potentially omniscient ‘thousand-petaled lotus’ of the brain – as well as acutely awakened occult centers in the spine.”

    “God, or the Divine Consciousness present within the first created pair, counseled them to enjoy all human sensibilities, with one exception: sex sensations. These were banned in order to avoid the use of sex organs, which would enmesh humanity in the inferior animal method of propagation. The admonition not to revive subconsciously present bestial memories was not heeded. Resuming the way of brute procreation, Adam and Eve fell from the state of heavenly joy natural to the original perfect man. When ‘they knew that they were naked’, their consciousness of immortality was lost, even as God had warned them; they had placed themselves under the physical law by which bodily birth must be followed by bodily death.”

    [Ref: “Now the serpent (sex force) was more subtle than any beast of the field” (any other sense of the body). – Genesis 3:1]

    “The knowledge of ‘good and evil’, promised Eve by the ‘serpent’, refers to the dualistic and oppositional experiences that mortals under maya must undergo. Falling into delusion through misuse of his feeling and reason, or Eve and Adam consciousness, man relinquishes his right to enter the heavenly garden of divine self-sufficiency.”

    [Ref: “And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed” – Genesis 2-8.

    “Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.” – Genesis 3:23

    “The divine man first made by God had his consciousness centered in the omnipotent single eye in the forehead (eastward). The all-creative powers of his will, focused at that spot, were lost to man when he began to ‘till the ground’ of his physical nature.”]

    “The personal responsibility of every human being is to restore his ‘parents’ or dual nature to a unified harmony or Eden.”

    The Copyrights of M/s. Jaico Publishers and those of Self-Realization Fellowship society are hereby gratefully acknowledged with thanks.
    From Yog
     
  11. Duck

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    Holy shit; how come priests never teach this version? It's a pretty nifty fable, when thought of like that. I still find it hard to define sex as bestial, when we wouldn't exist without it; and I don't understand why we would have erogenous zones, if not to give us pleasure.
    So, while I can't say I agree with the fable 100%, there are still undeniable aspects to it and I do definitely have a newfound respect for it.
     
  12. inthydreams911

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    Kind of interesting, my biology teacher was explaining different parts of the brain, and she explained how your "beast" instincts come from a certain part in your brain, and your higher reasoning and reflection come from a certain part in your brain (the lambido).

    So its kind of the physical representation of the good and evil, angel and devil on your shoulder guiding you in what to do. She pointed out the balance of these give us our human quality of life.

    We need our instincts for reproduction and survival, but we can move into higher realms of perception: art, beauty, love, compassion, self awareness.

    In the end we will have to transform our sex energy into higher forms in order to experience our full potential.

    “The personal responsibility of every human being is to restore his ‘parents’ or dual nature to a unified harmony or Eden.”
     
  13. Rosehippy

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    Thanks for that mag, i will read all your info.
     
  14. maggador

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    Glad to stir up some debate about crucially important things such as this. The Church is giving people false beliefs and most of them (priests etc) know about it, specially the Vatican, the Seat of Evil of the World, whom created the whole religion to confuse people, to make them easy slaves, to control and brainwash them.

    Cheers
     
  15. Emanresu

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    I actually don't think that most people in the church are spreading misinformation on purpose. I think most of them genuinely believe what they say.
    ...Except for all of that stuff about Noah's Ark. I refuse to believe that anyone above the age of 7 who is of sound mind really believes that obvious fiction, and yet they still preach it as if it were true.
     
  16. maggador

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    Well yes, most of the lower level clergies are of course normal good guys just fooled like anyone else, trying to do something good, and kudos to them for that, too bad they're both mind controlled and brainwashed themselves, and doing the same with others even unknowingly.
     
  17. Okiefreak

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    This version, or one similar to it, was taught by some of the early Christians--Marcion and the Gnostics. But they lost out in the struggle with competing sects, who suppressed their views--another example of the survival of the fittest meme! Which is why priests never teach it.
     
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    This sounds like something the Illuminati would believe. Satan is good, and apparently gave us knowledge. God is evil.

    Nah, I would argue the exact opposite. The tale of Adam and Eve is an ironic one. They thought they'd gain so much knowledge, and yet they didn't realize how they would lose SO MUCH! They became spiritually dead, and trapped in the physical world. They gained knowledge of evil and sin, but they lost spiritual enlightenment through God.

    God actually gave Moses and his followers manna to seek enlightenment and access to the spiritual realm. Manna matches the description of magic mushrooms, which work by shutting down barriers in our brain. If God wanted to suppress enlightenment, He would not encourage cannabis and magic mushroom use in the Bible.

    There's much more, but I'm probably going to save it for a future book. I hit upon a lot of truth and knowledge last night.

    Another thing, if we go back to the story of Adam and Eve, God had no problem with them having sex. That's why He created it. It's meant to be a beautiful expression of love, and He wanted us to multiply as well. But there's a difference between love and lust, the latter of which is selfish sexual desire.

    EDIT: LOL at the thumbs down. Challenging the way you think, eh?
     
  19. Vanilla Gorilla

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    Well there are 6 symbols that can be metaphors for something.

    God, The Serpent, Adam, Eve, The Apple and The Tree.

    Hard to work out who the bad guy actually is.

    I always found the story curious though, Eve is the one that gets stuck with 'The curse', that curse being the ability to grow new life, a bit of Uterus envy there methinks
     
  20. Gr4ssh0pp3r

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    The Serpent is the "bad guy."
     

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