Legal or Illegal?

I've read a few threads on here. I confess I came through a google search for RC's. Actually found it to be an amazing vibrant community that I'm looking forward to participating in.

How can I find out which ones are legal and which ones are not?
Does the ban on discussing sources pertain to just illegal RC's?

I'm bipolar and I am most definitely attempting to self medicate. The opportunity to try and do this legally seems to great to pass up. I've tried a host of natural potions from reputable sites but haven't found anything herbal that has worked. By worked I mean got me high to relieve the crashing depression and yes, make me manic. Drugs are a way to somewhat choose when I want to be manic.

Anyway, that's not really what I intended to post about.

I found out about DMAA and have a source for that. I ordered small and it was great so I ordered more this time. I suppose I should be satisfied with that but I'm keen to try different things to give me different feelings.

I read most of the thread on how to identify a legit site. Not sure I'm confident in my ability but I suppose I could be. I found the DMAA source myself. I'm also not sure which RC's to play with.

Any tips, tricks, thoughts or ideas?

 

Erowid has legal statuses for most RC's. I believe the ban on discussing sources pertains to all RC's.


RC's have a wide range of effects, spanning many classes of drugs, most have very minimal if any controlled tests done on them, these are not drugs id reccommend trying to self Medicate with.

 

Google research, or the best way is to just actually read the legal legislation of your state/country regarding drugs.

No source discussion in this forum at all.

Hopefully you came across www.safeorscam.com. Unfortunately there has been a lot of law enforcement activity in the online scene recently and many arrests and compromised sites, including possibly that one ^. This is an awful time to be getting into this scene. In terms of which RCs you should investigate, that is something you need to do research into. Look at what your trusted sources are offering, and do DEEP research on each chemical, and you will likely come across the names of other chemicals in your research that sound interesting to you.

You will find nothing that will medicate your bipolar though. Absolutely nothing. None of these will help your condition like a fix-it pill. The best thing you can hope for is a deep psychedelic experience that matures you and lets you handle it better. Definitely nothing like MDAA, any MDxx chemicals are going to make you feel great for a few hours and then shitty for a few days. They will just deplete your serotonin, stress your serotonin receptors, and in the long run make your condition worse. Learn how your brain works, learn how these chemicals effect the brain, learn what you really need.

 

^ Why Rag on the MDxx? That's pretty favorable percentages here.

 

Writer and Guer dished good advice, I'd add just a few things...

Erowid seems to be hit or miss as far as accuracy of legal status of things. Some laws are changing rapidly and I don't think they can keep up. For instance they are behind the curve on the status of JWH-xxx in my area.

Also, keep in mind that "legal" is a very grey area. While something may not be specifically scheduled in the US, there is a law that makes alot of things illegal if "intended" for consumption. If in question, don't doubt that if there is a judgement call about the greyness, it will be in favor of prosecution, not you.

For "legality", google is your friend.

You're right, there is a great community here, Guer, Writer, Etkearn and a few others are pretty knowledgable about all that receptor/chemistry/interaction stuff. I would encourage you to do what Writer said, learn more about your specific situation and go easy. Going at it willy-nilly and not understanding consequences may easily make things worse rather than better.

I suspect this may be pretty true, and in my limited experience you're not apt to achieve that with most RC's out there, the traditional psyches and trypts are the best for that IMHO.

Be safe and learn all you can.

 

Which JWH-xxx are they behind of in your area?

 

This one came to mind

The head shop where I get my tobacco paper has a few spice type bags, they were all required to have labels that specifically stated there was no -018 or -073 in them. Some govt agency dudes came in before they were banned and gave them a heads up that they would be back after the ban took effect to check up on them. (i dont know if they were city, county or state dudes)
Just an anecedotal story to use as an example. Wasn't slamming every Erowid entry, I just know that they aren't 100% up to date. And I certainly wouldn't rest my defense on "I saw it on erowid" if I wound up on the wrong side of things. Thasall.

 

Look a little deeper next time voyage... This is from Erowid.

 

Ya, I just saw that

Actually, not a little deeper. It's right at the top of the page. Doh.

I'd prefer to go with something that lists the actual laws like this
http://search.leg.wa.gov/wslrcw/RCW 69 TITLE/RCW 69 . 50 CHAPTER/RCW 69 . 50 chapter.htm

 

That is a good resource, .gov sites freak me out tho and Erowid lists the ACTUAL laws as well.

 

Thank you for all this helpful information and advice. As a newbie I wasn't expecting to get as much info. I understand the suspicion I should and am under. Made me think back to my college days though. It was a place known for a lot of recreational drug use. It was so easy to get too. Even the guy who took the trolley around the refectory clearing the tables could get anything. *Doug if you're out there then much love to you. Lol*

One day people started to get jumpy. There were two or three new faces in the refectory that just didn't seem right. The kids who carried a lot or sold went home. I was sitting with my boyfriend and a couple a friend who had just put his stash in a case that used to hold a roll of camera film. *you young ones can google camera film. Lol*

Then ban! It was a raid. They knew exactly who they were looking for. I saw a guy look at me then my boyfriend and a second later he had him and they had. My friend down on the ground. In all it was about six people. They were the heavier users, suppliers. They didn't get much. They went to their homes and parents let them in. A couple got busted for resin traces on a pipe or a couple of dried up mushrooms in a tin. Little did they know what they would have found if they had dug up a couple of those gardens!

Anyway, my dad knew most of the local police and found out what had happened. They had a couple of younger cops planted in the college for a few weeks before to find out who the players were. Thinking back we had seen new faces but not taken much notice.

My point being that it's not always the new ones. It may also be the ones that have been around for a while. Well, just my musings. Thanks for the opportunity to take a trip down memory lane. Good times, carefree times.

 

Am I the only one who has never heard of MDAA? Nor can I find any info on it...

 

I'm trying hard to get this right. Mainly from the legality aspect. I'm okay with frying a few brain cells along the way. I'm trying to have a bit of fun but in the past I have experienced the effect of stimulants on my mood. Honestly if they would prescribe them PRN then my condition would be much better managed. Even my therapist said I may always have to be a bit manic to function. That's to do with my personality to though.

I want to be 'up there' occasionally. I've read reviews on DMAA and have been surprised. I came upon it through bodybuilding forums. Im not a bodybuilder but it's amazing the places google can get you when you're on a mission. I really liked it. It had a great stimulant effect for a while. I resdosed a lot though. Got up to about 3/4 gram. After about three or four hours of being hyper I got tired and real sleepy. Stupidly I did another large dose and that made me feel ill. But I learnt when to stop.

I wil put up experiences I have posted on another popular forum. Shame I can't just link. Lol. My results have all been so different to what others have experienced.

So, knowing the feeling I am looking for is their any way you can steer me in the direction of the group or class of RC's I would be interested in.? Legal of course. I can take it from there. Thanks if you can. No probs if it's against the rules.

 

You sure you don't mean DMAA?

 

Oops. Lol. *blush* That would be what I meant. I hadhave better go do some editing!

 

DMAA is a stimulant, a fairly weak one at that. Classes of stimulants include the cathinones and amphetamines. There are quite a few that aren't scheduled (not illegal) a basic google search should yield desired results. Remember most of these compounds are a lot more potent than DMAA which can lead to unpleasant experiences when misused.

 

So in my state apparently blotter art and baking soda are illegal...

 

Guerr, I wasn't ragging on MDxx, sure they are fun as hell, but let's not kid ourselves and think that popping ecstasy on weekends is going to help with depression it doesn't work like that . . . someone with bipolar and a cheap source of MDxx is likely just going to burn themselves out. What they would benefit most from is straight psychedelic.

But OP meant something even worse, just a stimulant, which really won't help his condition but rather will just harm him more. This one in particular has been linked with a few cardiovascular deaths and i've never heard of it until now.

 

I think Ecstasy has just as good of chance of helping with something like bipolar depression as any other psychedelic if not more due to how it's mostly consistent effects. I think the consistency of the effects lend itself to more insight onto mood compared to the rapidly swaying emotional effects of many other psychedelics. Unfortunately the op will not be able to take it in a controlled setting in the presence of a licensed professional to be able to really explore that avenue.

Popping any psychedelic carelessly in an uncontrolled setting is most likely not going to help with depression in the long run, no matter whether it be acid, shrooms, ecstasy, whatever. That's why I suggested not trying to use Research Chemicals to self medicate.

 

Me again. I was a raver many moons ago. Out every weekend four about 4 years. It was great fun but with hindsight definitely triggered mania, while still under the effect. It was a cycle of intense euphoria for two days, followed by a crashing comedown on wednesday that would have me wanting toto sob my heartphone out for no reason. By friday all was good and the cycle would begin again. It doesn't appear to have had any long tar effect on me or my bipolar. I stopped this around ten years ago.

Psychedelics really not for me. Once was enough 25to years ago. Never again. I was posting about that experience on another thread .

For me it's straight up stimulant I'm looking for. Mainly for fun but also because stimulants have had a beneficial effect on my depression in the past. I always found the following day to be wonderful. The residual effects would have my spirits lifted. I could get on with chores, talk to people and just basically have more energy and motivation. That was a side benefit of getting totally muntered the night before! Lol.