are just nature's way of saying slow your roll. as an occasional user of opiates and a lot of past opiate use, i can say from experience that never reaching that spot where you have to increase your dose or experience withdrawal is ideal. i don't know if i'm the only one who gets mildly annoyed at the junkie's sob story about how "sick" they are and how they just need a little something to get them through til kingdom come. do yourself a favor. there's a line in the sand that we choose to cross or not to cross. be safe, people
Well, if you're a chronic pain patient it's hard, if not downright impossible to avoid developing a tolerance. And there are several regulars here who fall into that category who may take offense to some of your remarks.
i was referring strictly to recreational users. i understand the circumstances are different for pain patients but i think even they should find the best way to deal with pain using the least possible medication. i've heard also that the pain becomes even worse after stopping opioid medication, which is part of the reason stopping them is very difficult for many people. it takes awhile and a lot to really develop a harsh withdrawal, so i don't think most people who take, say 2 vicodin a day have that much trouble with it. continued, consistent recreational use of strong opiates is what gets most people into trouble.
OK so i made the choice to cross the line and eat handfuls of vic,s snort oxy,s for years and herion everyday for 4 months, and have went through withdrawls many times and finally went to the doctor and got into a suboxone program ,that i,ll probally be on fovever. But what,s your point? you don,t feel sorry for junkies? i know i got myself here.
You do realize that for severe chronic pain, there are literally NO other medications or therapies that are anywhere near as effective as opioids, right? Things like SNRIs, physical therapy, and even Cannabis, can slightly lessen the amount of opioids a person needs to take, but unless the person wants to be screaming in agony wanting to kill themselves for the rest of their miserable life because of the pain, this person will logically "bite the bullet" and take the opioids even if a tolerance DOES develop, which it WILL. And even for recreational users, some of them are so depressed, and have tried literally dozens of antidepressants, spent years in psychotherapy with no improvement, literally crying themselves to sleep every night, that they would PREFER the tolerance associated with using opioids to the misery of suicidal depression. This is the main reason people get "hooked" on opioids recreationally. It isn't to "get high" or to "have a good time". It is simply an alternative to SUICIDE.
i agree with you all the way etkearne....espically the... literally crying themselves to sleep every night, that they would PREFER the tolerance associated with using opioids to the misery of suicidal depression. This is the main reason people get "hooked" on opioids recreationally. It isn't to "get high" or to "have a good time". It is simply an alternative to SUICIDE.
I'm not trying to break out the sob story or anything but my opiate use stemmed greatly from my trauma and pain from loosing a close family member every year from the time I was 5-12 and because my parents were grieving I thought if I just acted strong the would worry less about me and be able to heal faster. I still to this day have trouble with dealing with these memories and I started at a EXTREMELY young age because when I tried opiates for the first time it totally cleared my mind and help me not be so depressed and helped me with my anxiety and many other issues i have. I had to work hard for over a year to get clean and then got in a major car wreck that my back has never been the same sense. So after another year of trying NSAIDS and non narcotic pain meds and muscle relaxers I was put on hydrocodone to help control my pain. Now if i stopped I would get sick and yea I got myself here do that's my fault but WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR POINT!?! You have only your experience with opiates and don't know of anything any of us have gone through! So many of us here are CPP or recovering addicts so why pop in just to say by the way I don't care what you,ve been through junkie just man up and deal with it cause thats what you did right. Well walk a mile in my shoes, or stoners, or ETK's, or happydude, you don't know what other ppl have been through and it's kinda dumb to post this on a OPIATE FORUM! We all use them so why would you even bother.I'm sure if you had to walk down one of our paths that you wouldnt come out damaged and borderline suicidal. I bet you would jus be SO tough.
yeah everyone likes to play the point the finger and make fun of him game like 5 year olds. so you just decided when you woke up this moring i,m tired of junkies! well you come to the wrong place to express that opinon.there,s no one to take your side here. your right hydropersistant i,d like to see them take a walk in our shoes. they have no idea.
But you do realize that way too many people give nothing a chance but pills right? A lot of people don't take the time to try acupuncture or chiropractic care ect. Too many people go right to pills and nothing else when they can get other relief from other areas We live in a world now where people go right to the pills instead of alternative, safer ways
Maybe that's true for older ppl I'm not sure. I was 19 when my chronic pain started and unless somebody just had a bad back and skipped there GP and went strait to pain medicine doc I don't really think that's true. Maybe it's just my area but around here you have to have recommendation to get into any reputable pain doc that isn't just a pill mill. And usually as far as other ppl I have met or know who have had chronic pain issues they go to there GP and are usually started on NSAID's and a light muscle relaxer or maybe first recommend phisical therapy which I have also done. And it is usually after phisical therapy, chiropractor, non-narcotic meds fail, for me going through all these avenues took just under 2 years before my GP finally said he could no longer help me and that he was referring me to a pain managment doctor. So unless ppl are going strait to pill mills in which case they are not CPP, I don't really buy the idea that the majority of pain patients are abusing the system and would actually be just fine with some naproxen and phisical therapy. I don't think most ppl enjoy having there lives revolve around a bottle of pills. I wish the phisical therapy would have worked or any of the many other avenues that I explored before getting on a narcotic med. I would be willing to bet you have NEVER had a chronic pain issues in my life. Would that be a accurate statement?
Personally I would rather put up with taking the pills and dealing with their side effects, even addiction, rather that spend my life in pain. Period. I've tried everything, including surgery, and nothing worked. Long-term pain can be incredibly debilitating. It can prevent you from working to make a living for yourself which is in itself demeaning. But you still have bills to pay, which means obtaining some sort of disability compensation, and if you don't think that's a demeaning process, try it. Whether it's Social Security or a VA pension like I have, it's a slow, skeptical system, which it should be to weed out the scammers. And the meds don't work 100%, they just take enough of the edge off that you can have some kind of a life. And it just so happens that one of the side effects of these meds is a euphoric sense of well being. Hallelujah. Is that what the stigma is about? Or is it the addiction? Well, I'm glad I get a buzz from it. Thank God for the poppy plant, lol. Shit, I've been through so much I'll take anything I can get.
i'm not against taking opioids at all, but if you don't have agonizing pain where you need a certain med regularly or if the feeling of an opiate is the thing keeping you from literally killing yourself, in my experience having a low recreational tolerance is better health-wise and in terms of feeling the full effects of the drug. i do opiates sparingly (once every month or so) and i feel like for me at least, if i indulged any more, i would be on a fast track to compulsive everyday use, probably leading to a least some tolerance and/or withdrawal symptoms. obviously, if someone got opiates from a doctor and took them as prescribed (even in rather large amounts), this isn't necessarily a bad thing as long as someone can make a months rx last a month. i personally know the feeling of having your script run out a week or so early when you are already dependent, and it sucks.
i understand what it's like to be addicted to opiates. i used heroin everyday for 6 months straight and i know how hard opiates are to resist. if suboxone is what's best for you, then by all means stay on it your whole life. i could only afford suboxone for about a month after i quit using heroin everyday. ultimately though, if you really want to stop shooting dope, you can do it with or without long-term suboxone.
Well, snyfin, I am very happy for you that you were able to avoid becoming addicted. That is always a good thing!
