My Take on Politics

A bunch of old geezers (a lot of whom we don't even know) sitting around a table, mumbling nasty insults at each other while wasting millions on biased commercials (most of which are about 'defeating Obama') in an attempt to make themselves look better. And at the end of the day, nothing is decided on and nothing happens because they're to busy trying to oppose each other just because.

Sound about right?

 

My take - a bunch of twats in suits with silver spoons pushed so far up their ass they automatically declare themselves elite. Put in the real world though then they'd be in trouble, wouldn't that make a good tv show?

 

Aside from the second bit in parenthesis, and whats spent on commercials should be the last of our spending concerns....yea that sounds about right

 

That is one reality show I would tune in for!

 

Real DC (White) House Politicians

 

Politics are like a scripted play -- nothing more. Politics is basically a cover designed for the masses to believe in. Anyone who knows the score knows you don't have any real choice in that game.

 

Thing is that you are engaging in politics so you are politicians – a politician is just someone that takes part in a nations politics, which can include just talking about it.

But let us say for argument sake we are just talking about people in politics who are paid to be in politics (does that include all the television and media pundit?)

If we get bad politicians isn’t that a refection of ourselves (they are our politicians or should be) and if they are not our politicians then isn’t that an indication of a bad system?

Rather than calling politicians shit should the course be to have a system where we can elected better ones and have a structure where they remain good?

 

It is not a matter of "if" we have a bad system. The fact of the matter is that we do have a bad system.

When the public is given a choice between two candidates, and both are liars and/or crooks, or both, how is that a bad reflection on us? Please explain.

Your solution to these "bad" politicians is to elect better ones, and to have a structure where they remain good. While that sounds like a novel idea, I believe that many here in the U.S. have thought about that many years ago, but have long since discovered that the script was written a long time ago, and that those who benefit and profit most from the system are not at all interested in rewriting the script. So, how do you suggest we go about this . . . change?

 

Politics by definition is shrewdness, tact, and cunning, exercised to seize upon personal advantage. A means to an end but the end can only be temporary advantage. Politics are not designed for social solutions.

 

So true, so true. Makes you wonder how and why people can go on believing that "seats of power" are designed to draw those who wish to serve humanity?

 

storch

Only two candidates?

I though there were 12 presidential candidates?

Politicians are not born whole; they’re made, moulded by the kind of society they grow up in. If people in politics are liars and/or crooks that is a reflection of the kind of society we have and the kind of people we have let into power.

Its not a novel idea it is what should be at the core of any democratic system, I think some people have forgotten that.

There are many political and campaigning groups wanting and working to bring about change. The problem I see is that many people are apathetic toward change or even the need for change while others are not rational or reasonable when it comes to politics and treat it as some kind of religion that is accepted on faith alone.

Thing is that what needs to be done is try and work out what is wrong – my own view is that wealth in the US has far too much power and influence but there are many Americans who seem to think that the solution to that problem is to give wealth more power and influence.

 

Funny how the candidates that wind up in the finals are basically supported by the same corporations and banks. Surely, the script is not that hard to see. Do you believe that money buys elections?

You said that politicians are molded/made by the society they come from. So are you saying that the members of society are to blame for politicians not being "whole"? Isn't that kind of like blaming the victim in this scandal?

When you said that politicians are a reflection of the kind of society we have, and of the kind of people we have let into power, did you know that you were drawing a distinction between politicians and the people we have let into power? What is the difference between the people we have let into power, and politicians? I don't get it . . .

 

Politicians are supposed to have their proper place in our society. You cannot or could not have a meeting with millions of voters to decide issues,therefore representitives from every area are elected and are supposed to represent the issues of their respective constituents,ideally speaking,that is. My take is that their supposed representation is no longer true,in the main,because of the way money and those behind the money have the power to distort the legislative processes by improper allocation to and for our so-called representitives. It's basically now a joke and a lie that we are represented by any of them(with a few exeptions). Fictional entities,corporations, now call the shots instead of the will of citizens as supposedly represented. That this situation has developed proves to me that our system of representational government contains serious flaws that need to be addressed in a fundamental way so that the MAJORITY of citizens are truly represented and not just a small percentage of us. What do we actually get to vote on?? Not much.

 

storch

As I’ve said I think wealth in the US has too much power and influence and a lot of that influence is down to it having little opposition due to the absence of viable US left wing.

I wrote a long explanation of how left wing ideas were basically purged from US society and culture, I can reproduce it if you wish? But basically it was the old tale of boiling a frog, put a frog in boiling water and it jumps out turn the water up gradually and it stays to be boiled.

But at every stage there where many Americans that not only supported it but enthusiastically joined in. I had an American friend who grow up in the Midwest she had an inquiring mind and as a high school student decided to find out about ‘communism’ and bought a copy of ‘The communist manifesto’ (she had to send away to New York to get a copy). This was discovered a she was literally spat on by her fellow pupils.

LOL are you saying politicians are not people? I said - If people in politics are liars and/or crooks that is a reflection of the kind of society we have and the kind of people we have let into power.

If people in politics – politicians.

 

Scratcho

I agree what is to be done?

 

I'm sorry. When you said, "If people in politics are liars and/or crooks, that is a reflection of the kind of society we have and the kind of people we have let into power," you wrote it in a way that makes it sound like you were saying that liars and crooks are reflections of liars and crooks, since people we have let into power are the politicians.

Anyway, when you said that politicians are molded/made by the society they come from, I asked if you are somehow blaming society for politicians not being "whole." I'm still interested in your answer to that.

Yeah, I think wealth in the U.S. has too much power and influence, too. You believe it is the result of a lack of opposition due to an absence of a viable U.S. left wing. I, on the other hand, believe it is the result of crooks and liars being crooks and liars.

 

And my question was whether or not you believe that society is to blame for politicians not being "whole." Your boiling frog analogy does not apply here. We're talking about liars and crooks. The majority of robberies perpetrated against the people of the U.S. by those ones in politics was anything but a gradual process. It was simple highway robbery.

So, my question to you is: how is society responsible for the activities of lying crooks?

 

My take on politics is that society is a victim of politicians. It sounds like you believe that politicians are victims of society. If you're saying that these lying, crooked politicians do not know the difference between right and wrong because of their upbringing, I disagree wholeheartedly.

 

It is not the people, it is the system that is designed to enhance personal, not societal, advantage.

The idea that someone else can adequately represent your interests is a hopeful fantasy at best. We give away our power to proxy as though we had never had it and this is by nature a corruption of power. The crooks and liars get away with it because they are in fact benefactors of privilege. They have a license for corruption.

 

My take is there are no victims by reason of insanity.
We know not what we do.