How is Judism, Christianity , Islam brought together under Abraham?

wwwww.islamuncovered.cowww.letusreason.org/islam5.htm

Everytime I tried to post another link, I somehow messed up...and it would either be a copy of ^ that one, or it would erase it. That put it the most concisely.

I certainly did not mean to claim any big knowledge of All THE Abrahamic faiths...I just know that there are at least 3 major religions stemming from Abraham.

I did not realize that being circumcised was such a humongous deal, aside from the fact that all Jewish boys (and MANY others also - nowadays) are circumcised. I was aware that taking the foreskin of the enemies (back in the biblical days) was a way of proving a kill. Other than the importance that many seem to feel about circumcision, I know I have learned that it was of great significance to Abraham and those that followed his beliefs, if nothing else, in this thread.

 

All this;

Makes it very clear that this is statement;

is utter hogwash and actually probably made more than one person :rofl:


Roor your a smart kid and more often than not I agree with your viewpoints, or at least the intentions or "main idea" of them.
But you are cursed with above average intelligence and suffer from youthful arrogance as a result. You tend to declare yourself an expert on a topic and often it becomes apparent that you just read the dust cover and assume you know the entire story.

You give jmt shit and say his questions are juvenile, maybe to you, but not to him. His questions about religion have always been genuine and asked from a position of true interest.
Why shouldn't he be able to put forth questions in these forums?

Real wisdom is knowing what you DON'T know and keeping your mouth shut at such times so you might actually learn something.

 

thats where you go wrong with all the brainwashingness of zionism - muslims arent claiming jerusalem, palestinians are (that includes christians btw) and are and have been in resistance of an occupation!

 

Well, they have at least claimed it in the past. The dome over the rock and the Al-Aqsa mosque for example are neither solely palestinian.

 

really ...are we doing the past too? coz i could

 

Why not, Abraham is mainly the past also. Please, go on! :biggrin:

edit: in my opinion this is not a competition who can outwit the other at all. Hope it is the same for you guys (it sometimes seems a little like it)!

 

ahh whats the fun in it, if it aint a competition

 

Competition in religious matters is more often a guarantee for disaster than fun

 

I don't see that I have an illigitimate understanding of the events of the bible and the negative light they cast god in, if you simply ignore the parts about how nice he is when reading it. There's actually a whole 'nother abrahamic religion, gnosticism, (a gnostic being one who knows, as opposed to an agnostic) that sprang from people seeing christianity and judaism as I do, though gnosticism also evolved it's own silly beliefs after a while, it's what hubbard seems to have looked to for inspiration on scientology.

I'm not telling the story of abraham when I say I think all that of god, I'm simply pointing out that depending on how you look at it (and please, don't tell me that god had to create evil to create good, I don't buy that..... is this guy god, or what?), I think god looks a bit like he hates man.... or a lot like he hates man, hence my statement that "in the beginning, god hated man" in my original telling of the story in this thread, that got so many people riled up at me.


You're right, I have not read most of the bible, and don't intend to, it's a terribly slow, tedious read..... But I still do think that given my reasonably complete summary of the story, and given that I'm one of the only ones who had any idea that the abrahamic covenant even involved, much less was totally about, circumcision, I do think I know the story better than most of those who lashed out at me.

I know I'm a pompous jackass, but I don't think my opinions are infallible or anything, I just find it frustrating when people incorrectly try to call me out, when I'm the one with the proper story.

And I STILL don't think my opinion was the least bit invalidated by saying that god hates man. It's my opinion that should he exist, he does. The (common, among nonbelievers) analogy of a cosmic kid growing an ant farm just to play with his magnifying glass seems quite accurate, to me.

 

Wondering how stoney wants to respond to this. The article is pretty clear as to why Jerusalem is important to Islam.

http://www.religionfacts.com/islam/places/jerusalem.htm

RoorShack, God did not need to create evil to create good... that's a Zorastrian (sp?) belief. Evil is created by man, who has a choice of following God or not. not following God has consequences, which we often call evil.

Now did God HAVE to create man with choice than? I the sense that he is all powerful, no of course not... so why did he? Because he wanted companionship and he knew to have true companionship and love you have to give them choice. God created man with choice so that when they love him, they are truly loving him and not just being robots programmed to do so.

This is not the same thing as creating evil to create good, as Genesis says when God created it, it was "good".

 

I realize that that's not a christian idea, that evil must exist for good to exist, but I've heard it from many christians when I say that god created evil.

God created everything, therefore, god not only gave man free will, but designed how man's personality and reasoning would work. You could have someone with free will, but who had been designed to NOT do evil things, at least for the most part. But this is clearly not how people are.

As for god creating man for companionship, if you believe that in a literal sense, that's like me making a sex doll, and then tieing her up in the basement with frequent beatings for things outside her control, but considering her my rubber companion.....

 

According to Process Theology, God not only gave humans free will but introduced indeterminacy throughout nature. This variety is important in the evolutionary process in furthering what Freeman Dyson calls the "principle of maximum diversity". The corollaries are that God does not know how it's all going to turn out, and doesn't micromanage the process. When are atheists going to stop taking the Bible so literally?

 

Haha yes, the ones who like to agitate against religions on here seem as dogmatic as the most radical christian or muslim.

 

When are atheists going to stop taking into account the things that religious text (the direct word of god, in this case) actually SAY?

It would be so much easier if nobody knew what the bible said...... as it is, atheists do have a much better idea than most christians.

 

Some atheists. Most 'christians' are christians out of cultural/family tradition anyway. Hence why there is always enough people to agitate about for the more aggressive atheist

 

This makes no sense. Then wouldnt the athiest b more christian in some way?

 

This is a patently stupid post.

But as I'm quoting it, I will answer it:

Of course not, the atheist is more educated, has a more inquiring mind, and does more research before spreading a belief system of hate.

 

There is no 'the atheist', just like there is no 'the christian'. You're projecting things on them according to your preference and you're terribly generalizing here. It really serves no other purpose then spreading hate yourself. How contradictionary with the essence of your posts. Perhaps formulate them more nuancated so it actually seems like you're spreading awareness.

 

Through accounting.