Are Straight Dudes Just Sex Objects?

Discussion in 'Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Trans, etc.' started by PoetDude39, Dec 18, 2004.

  1. PoetDude39

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    It can be. Just ask Marilyn Monroe (I mean, as soon as you make it to Heaven and everything).

    Peace,

    ~PD
     
  2. PoetDude39

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    I already got the book on hold! At my main public library here. I'm sorta cheap. LOL. I did a Google search, and read some of the reviews. Sounded like my kinda book. So I should have a copy in my hands in another week or so. (Hey, so do you really like the Clockwork Orange flick? I mean, is it one of your faves? It's the sorta movie that you can see 20 times, and still learn something new about the darker side of society. I like it a lot. So how many times have you seen it?)

    Peace,

    ~PD
     
  3. rocknroll_girl

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    PUHleeeeaaase. Why do you think bars, any bars, exist? For prowling, of course. Sure, there's a bit more sense of good clean community get-together among lesbians. But historically dyke bars were TOTALLY into the butch/femme dynamic that, in the 50s/60s especially, mirrored typical boy/girl bar chasing. That hasn't peetered out entirely, but it's not necessarily such a bad thing.

    Like everything else destructive, backstabbing in the dyke community (particularly real serious fights between butches in the old days) originates from our culture's twisted ideas of what it means to be tough and masculine.
     
  4. PoetDude39

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    I dunno. The dyke bars I went to in the early 1990s always seemed a lot less threatening to me than some of the meat market type (gay male) bars I used to try and avoid. I mean, people actually talked to each other at the dyke bars. LOL. And that was totally taboo at some of the hard core queer clubs. Being a good listener (or talker) was not considered macho at all. The idea was to find some stud to connect with sexually ASAP. So you might find yourself down on your knees less than a minute after making eye contact with somebody. And forget some of the scenes in the ever popular Men's room. I remember one time I walked in a really small one, barely big enough for even 2 people. And there were like 6 dudes in there tryin' out every sexual position ever imagined (and then some). Anyway, so you're sayin this kinda thing is common at the dyke bars too? Or to a much lesser extent? It just always seemed to me that most of the dykes at the bars at least made an effort at some small talk first. Before anything sexual took place. You know a lot of those black and white portraits that made Mapplethorpe so infamous? I used to see some of those, and think they looked totally tame to me. Cuz I had seen stuff goin' on in some of the queer bars in Chicago that made Mapplethorpe's portraits look a bit too innocent to me. Although I love the shots he took of Patti Smith. They almost made me wish I was a straight dude myself...

    Peace,

    ~PD
     
  5. clockworkorangeagain

    clockworkorangeagain femme fatale

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    well i hope you like the book...im usually a library kinda girl aswell, but i was not sure if they would have it...
    i have read clockwork orange three times...i like the book better than the film..but the adaptation was a very good one...
    i haven't read it for a while but am getting it for christmas (i think) so am going to reread it...
    its not the only fave, but one of...Goerge Orwell is a fantastic social commentator
     
  6. claude duvalle

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    I'm straight and I love it when gay guys come on to me. A guy made a pass at me in a gym once, but unfortunately I couldn't do anything because my friend were there. Being seduced by a gay guy is one of my favourite fantasies.
     
  7. PoetDude39

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    Cool. And I'm sure you won't have a lot of trouble making your fantasy come true.

    Peace,

    ~PD
     
  8. clockworkorangeagain

    clockworkorangeagain femme fatale

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    have you read the book yet?
     
  9. PoetDude39

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    No, man. And I'm disappointed. It's at the library waiting for me, but I went to pick it up yesterday, and they had closed early on me. So I'm gonna go back either tomorrow or Monday. So how's your holiday so far? Any really cool gifts?

    Peace,

    ~PD
     
  10. clockworkorangeagain

    clockworkorangeagain femme fatale

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    i have holidays for two more months!!! yay....but the season has been good....nothing exciting - a few good books... but my friend and her boyf (also good friend of mine) have decided as a christmas present they are buying me a ticket to the woodford folk festival - it's a music, arts and cultures fest in australia that goes for about 6 days over new years... we are just going for the newyears (camping included)...so that is bloody awesome! And then thre weeks from now i have a big music fest on goldcoast called the big day out...so im just looking forward tot he entertainment...
    how bout you? Any cool pressies...how you been celebrating?
     
  11. PoetDude39

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    Damn. You really are getting a lot of cool stuff. I always get mostly cash from folks. Cuz they know I'm not so much into material stuff. So I'll just use the money to buy books and CDs. Plus I'd like to get a DVD player in a hurry. That Colenzo is a trip, huh? LOL. But I sorta like the crazy dude. I think he's more scared of life than he lets on. But he always likes to disagree with me. LOL. So music is the coolest gift. And you're getting a lot of that. I think it's really cool.

    Peace,

    ~PD
     
  12. clockworkorangeagain

    clockworkorangeagain femme fatale

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    the big day out...is my own gift to me... but yeah they are both awesome to look forward too...i couldnt believ it on christmas morning when my friends said they were taking me to woodford!!! he is defininitely a trip and i like him too even though he can be a pain in the butt, and there is a lot he does and doesnt let on i guess, and disagreeing is his forte....yes i am def not materialistic either..though i need a dvd player too, but not to be materialistic (so i can watch cool flicks instead of shitty tv)...
    well i hope you have a great day and enjoy it with your family or friends, or self...
    and eat lots of yummy food... i should go to bed now cos its fivethirty in the morn...i am a bit of a night person too much!
     
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    Yeah, I hope you enjoy the season too! Chat with you later. You should try and get more sleep. LOL.

    Peace,

    ~PD
     
  14. Snowdancer

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    You said, "You say "sex object" like its a bad thing"

    I know this seems incongrous to typical male upbringing where males are supposed to be the chasers. On the surface it does sound like it would be great to be the one sought after but it's the objectification that is inherent to it that is harder to take. Anyhow when it started to happen to me by guys in bars for example I was a little taken aback. I can't say I have had this really happen from women but I'm sure the feeling is the same.

    It's like. OK, you like the way I look & want me for sex but that is only a part of me.
     

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