Bad Trip/after effect need some advice

Hey there, i had an intensely bad trip from salvia the other day literally blew my mind. I was on my own and in my room thought 20x isnt gonna be that strong so i made a bong and toked up a cone of it. My previous experiences of salvia haven't been that effective like i remember laughing alot and talking shit about some nun that was in the corner of the room. But this time everything got way to intense i mean literally everything in the world merged together into one existence i forgot who i was what i was where i was the only thing i can remember is me trying to pull my self out of this or like recreate my existence which then turned into me repeatedly me opening up my bedroom door but then would appear back on my bed, then i would open it again and appear back on my bed and this happened over an eternity i thought this was going to be my existence forever till i finaly made it into the hallway where my house student gave me a wierd look as i ran down stairs and opened the front door, but then appeared back on my bed and the process began again. yet when i finaly got out of the trip i got out of my room went down stairs saw the front door wide opened went to the bathroom splashed water on my face ran a cold bath and drank some orange juice to help me get out the trip hit my head on the wall a couple of times then went back up stairs.. Now i keep having wierd flash backs like real intense senses of fear wondering if im still tripping and need to wake up im wondering if i should go to the doctors cause im scared out of mind atm like littraly keep thinking what if im still tripping out on my bed and im just living a life time in this trip its destroying me can any one give me some advice on what to do

 

Well..step one, stop the incessant behavior and feeding the fear. Do not fight madness with more madness. Just recognize it's there (worrying is normal afterall) and move on.

Facts are you're not still tripping. You registered and made this post on Hip Forums. I can read it.

Now go do sober stuff for a few days and you'll be fine, mate. You ramped up awfully quickly so perhaps slow down @ a nice & easy pace. Get your surroundings back in place again, etc.

 

Maybe you need to face salvia again. (this is an actual "maybe", not a rhetorical question. I mean, maybe you should NOT, that's up to you, just food for thought)

Fight the ocean and you will drown. You must accept it.

It's better to come down in one place on salvia. It can make one want to get up and run around and escape from the feeling, but that basically just smears the feeling on everything you touch, if that makes sense. The main trip can also be very hyper, and/or frantic, like yours. But the whole time, you never got very far in, given that you didn't find anything out of the ordinary, it was just a vision of you trying to escape from the feeling...... and trying to escape in an irrational, instinctual way.

You need to be calm. On salvia and off salvia. It sounds lik you're still acting like that, maybe you just had a bad personality to mix with it, I don't know. But you need to collect your thoughts and assimilate your trip, instead of acting like it's some sort of nightmare. It's a strange and often dysphoric, psychedelic drug, don't take it lightly but also understand that it's just a bizzarre drug, just like a dream....

You need to conquer this sort of irrational fear. And not by telling yourself it's not real, but by learning to accept it. (for starters, what was actually so bad about salvia? You had a trip that consisted entirely of you trying NOT to trip...... which is to say, not much of a trip. You had irrational, animalistic, simplified thoughts, a time loop and slow salvia time, and maybe "salvia gravity".... not that scary)

To take salvia you can't be afraid of a void or lack of reality, your conscious self must understand that it will come back, and prepare your subconscious to let go of it and be content. Maybe that's the learning potential of salvia? (might expand on that and write a thread on my new theory of the nature of the benefits of salvia). At the same time, you should understand that everything you see is real, in the sense that it's happening in your brain, and that it is as real as any other sensation that you have.

Last, and by no means least, you must keep in mind that salvia is very similar to a dream, and so is the way a trip ends. Sometimes for days after a dream (good or bad) I keep finding myself struck with a worry or joy from that dream, only to remember that it's not real, or that I'm not entirely sure it's real, and then in a moment I realize it can't be. Salvia can be the same way, because of the strange way that it comes and goes it can stretch accross days, even though the initial "dream" is only minutes.

 

Yeah i totally get what you guys mean, ive also been trying to collect my thoughts since it happened like if i was still tripping id be in a reality created by my self and i would have mental control over it where as in real life you have no control over reality and everything is as it is.

i mean this is the first time it hit me so hard looks like i broke through its reverse tolerance effect this time as the times before didnt do to much to me. I smoked alot more than ive ever tried before on my own in my bedroom the fact that i felt alone and had no one if anything went to wrong to help me probably triggered my bad trip hense why i had the illusion of trying to escape my room. Its one hell of a funny story to tell but was so scary at the time...

And yeah i think i need to face it again, in a more controlled enviroment where i feel safe so i can understand it more and define it from reality. The way i smoked it deffinetly contributed to how fucked i got on it. i made about half a spliffs worth of this shit into a joint which i put in my home made bong held it in for ages on the first hit was like hey this isnt doing any took another hit the same size was like wtf nothing happening then took the last hit which i was suddenly transported to this bad trip when i got out of it i was like where the hell is the roach of the thing i smoked and i some how smoked half the roach as well which which had copper and shit in the ink..

but yeah that was one hell of an experience i wish i would have put my laptop on record so i can see what i did! XD i think i will try it again but just not like that and defos not on my own.

 

I would warn you that on a proper trip the presence of others shouldn't really even be noticable, or might be a negative thing.

And I think it's between you and salvia, and thay maybe you should face it all on your own, in a peaceful safe setting. In fact, the presence of others may make it more scary and less meaningful, all at the same time, I think.

 

i dunno if i agree with that, personally i dont like being on my own at the best of times.
ive had good experiences with salvia when ive been with my friends on my own i feel very vunurable which would probably was reflected in my trip, if i had some one there to tell me i was ok i would have probably enjoyed the feeling of infinity.

i can say i was realy unprepared for it to happen because i didnt trip out that bad the first times i did it

 

It's likely that you would have no understanding of your friend's presence, in a proper trip. Salvia is something that MUST be done alone, all that a friend can give is physical protection. While infinitely running out of your room, and down the stairs, you would not have been listening to your friends, OR if you where actually in between worlds and moving, they (probably and hopefully) would have been holding you down, which at least could not have made your experience BETTER than it was.

That's part of it, you get locked up with yourself.

Another part is that you obviously need to research more. Maybe the whole class of psychedelic drugs for some of the more basic concepts like set and setting, but at least salvia in particular. You easily could have known what was comming, and I will warn you now, you have NOT seen it all by ANY means on salvia, you broke like half way through, you still existed, you where not another object or animal, the universe still existed..... this is NOT "legal high" shit, this is serious. Understand that a real breakthrough could quite literally turn you into the doorknob that you kept grabbing.... doorknob thoughts, doorknob existence, doorknob body..... for an eternity of doorknob time. That sort of specific "part of an object" fusion seems to be quite common, maybe more so than simply becomming the whole object.

The phrase "tripped out" tends to imply insanity or behavior with no relation to anything but drug-induced panic. I don't think that it's a useful phrase. You had a bad set and setting, and you behaved accordingly with the substance you used (and used in a foolish way, considering your expectations). "tripping out" is not just what happens, it's how you handle what happens -- and that does NOT mean repress feelings, which will NOT work with psychedelics. And when you say you "tripped out bad", what do you mean, that you had a bad time, or an intense time? or both?

So again, this is not a party drug, not a drug where you can be helped by others once it has begun, and I daresay, that might be exactly why you should take some time with it.

Maybe you should do some reading and thinking, ALONE (you don't need friends treating it like alcohol or pot or some funny shit for youtube or whatever), and then dose salvia again.

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Yeah i can see where your coming from but you have to remember drugs effect people in different ways. Being around my friends isnt for the social interaction of the drug but for the fact that the setting seems safer to me being around them. Also all my friends are mature enough not to treat this form of drug as a "party drug" its not like we are teenagers who have just discovered something that gets you fucked as im way to old for that stuff.

Doing any drug alone in my opinion is an immature and dangerous move, as you
cannot always predict the side effects or actions of any drug and would never promote it to any one.. And i know it should not be treated as a legal high or some form of party pill its Class A in Australia for a reason

I must thank you for all the advice you've given me and for making me feel better, but please dont talk to me like a child i made a bad decision but i am a grown adult not some silly teenager that's just discovered this stuff.

I will look into setting the scene as you put it, i can just remember my environment didnt seem to matter because at the time of being merged with the universe with in my trip out of reality, before i broke back into reality with the opening the door and being back on my bed i couldnt tell who i was what i was or where i was its like the rules of the universe didnt exist and as first time of salvia effecting me in this way was a little scary how intense it was but i will probably do it again in better conditions its a hell of a drug so much diffrent to over hallucinogens.

Also whats your recomended method for taking it?

 

Salvia is a really bizarre trip, it's common to be caught off guard with that initial breakthrough trip. I can relate with some of those perceptions you explained in your trip. Now that you have experienced how bizzare and otherworldly Salvia can be, you can adjust (as best as possible) your pre trip mindset, although something about the Salvia experience rarely has me as comfortable with it as I am with other psychedelics even upon repeated exposure. I usually don't have a sitter when I explore Salvia but a sitter is not a bad idea as many people get a fight or flight reaction with Salvia and mix that with impaired motor coordination, how intense the trip is and potential problems could arise.

The most efficient method to smoking Salvia extracts is smoking it in a bong, on top of another herb or screens with a torch lighter.

 

yeah thats the way ive been doing it, i think the thing that scares me isnt the trip but how quickly it hit me. Its like that thing about frogs where if you drop a frog in boiling water it jump out but if you put it cold water and boil it slowly it will stay there contently till its boiled to death, (btw ive never tried this just using it as a metaphor) is there any ways to make the transition slower and does smoking less of the plant reduce the effects cause i smoked 3 cones worth when i had that bad experience! XD

 

the breakthrough trip can be really violent. my first breakthrough was so incredibly stronger than any prior experiences that i didn't have time to freak out on the way up. it just ripped me clean out of this side and into the other, i don't even remember putting the bong down. the experience on that other side was amazing and blissful, right up to the point where it was time to come back, and that got scary.

my second breakthrough unfortunately picked up at the exact place where the last one had left off, as if not a second had elapsed, which may have been enough in itself to cause me to panic. if you're interested in pursuing Salvia further, despite the difficulty, i suggest you look for "people" that are on the other side and willing to help. they're there, and they will help but you have to be able to let go and overcome or at least mitigate the panic. and that is no small task.

i think it's a very good idea to have a minder. i disagree that they might interfere with the tone or mood of your trip, as they should not be interacting with you at all, and you'll be long gone from this place. they are there only to make sure you don't do something like run out your front door, because obviously really bad things could happen if you did that again.

the smoke seems a little difficult to modulate, it can be so strong (especially as you use it more) and the onset is like a freight train. i've just received a bottle of tincture which i have yet to try, but it's meant to be easier to control the dose as well as ramp up the onset and intensity somewhat.

the fear involved with breakthrough trips with Salvia is not irrational, and is not a result of poor set and setting necessarily. entering that place, and leaving this one behind can be terrifying, there's no point in dismissing that fact.

 

do people do this drug at festivals or can i buy it there from a vendor since it is still legall

 

Its not as scary once you've already been there.

If you would like a slower paced come up you could try chewing it. It last for 30 minutes and doesn't get nearly as intense. Since its so long you can actually have time to figure out whats going on and enjoy your vision... I remember watching a little scuba man hang on to the corner of a poster and his body was fluidly moving like he was being pushed back by flowing water, it was so remarkably life like!

If you don't want to chew it you can just take smaller tokes, like instead of taking a giant bong rip.

Salvia has never really made sense like mushrooms and acid do... its more cascade of strange events poured on to you, and the only lesson is, wow these strange events can happen.

I remember on a break through experience not knowing who are what I was, but I could see the whole stream of consciousness that my mind when through the day.

A stream of sound running through my head neena-noni-ninnu-neete-time translated to, its time to go to bed. It was like this was my internal progamming language, and all functions were related to these streams of sound... Basically what I am saying is salvia is some freakin crazy stuff!