Conclusive evidence that God does not exist

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by Meagain, Aug 11, 2012.

  1. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    I don't understand?
     
  2. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    so , what might be considered godless about
    a walmart experience ?

    will you observe a sadness , a marked-down spirit that
    is sold as conformity and even family ? i think they should make
    apts above the sales floor for those who would live there
    within that sort of peace . no vegetable gardens around
    the parking lot though ! it would be lawfully considered
    terrorist competion with the grocery business .
     
  3. Ukr-Cdn

    Ukr-Cdn Striving towards holiness

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    Glad I am not alone.
     
  4. pensfan13

    pensfan13 Senior Member

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    Proves nothing, if there is a god he would need the people of wally world to do the work for his chosen people. You cant expect jesus to return to a world with dirty bathrooms can you?
     
  5. Brainden

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    You could never actually prove god doesn't exist. No one can prove he does either. Whether you believe the universe came from nothing or, believe something created it. There's less evidence for the latter, but still, both will never, ever, get proven at more than a minute of certainty. We live in a huge universe, with plenty of planets in goldilocks zones I'm sure. It all is a bit 'coincidental'. There's absolutely no evidence of intelligent design and, we live in a deterministic universe. I honestly couldn't even imagine what a 'god' what be like, pointless pondering such a pointless subject.
     
  6. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    pointy ponderists squirm sitted-ly atops pyramids . i'm sure you can sit
    there and easily imagine annihilation and utter non-existence - inspired
    by an extreme , hysterical man-made point in the arse .

    when sitting easy where the earth is soft god is a useful idea for imagining
    the everything , which rationally is one honest feeling of existence .
     
  7. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    There may be no direct evidence against God but there is enough logical circumstantial evidence to reach a conclusion well beyond the confines of reasonable doubt. Probably the largest argument against God is the fact that there is no tangible evidence of God. This is something a God could easily provide to all of us in an instant. One of the largest religions, claiming to know of God, says God can forgive anything but disbelief. The punishment of eternal damnation for simply not believing is insanely cruel and unjust. All claims of God can themselves be discredited through logic and explained by human nature, again beyond any reasonable doubts. The Bible itself can be discredited through it's own contradictions or from contradictory empirical evidence. Such as sedimentary rock and dinosaurs.
     
  8. TAZER-69

    TAZER-69 Listen To Your Heart! Lifetime Supporter

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    When you can give me a logical explanation of the many people who have died and come back to life and said that they met the Good Lord, or the children who do not know any better claim they sat in the lap of Jesus, or the children who have seen or talked to Angels I might just believe you......My daughter has seen and spoken to Angels.

    I won't hold my breath waiting.
     
  9. FlyingFly

    FlyingFly Dickens

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    Here I come to save the day!

    Near death experience and clinical death.

    When your brain is shutting down, eyes are still working as receiver and sending information, therefore here occurs this illusion of 'light on the end of the tunnel', as brain gets information about photons hitting your eye, yet it can't 'decypher' it.

    Often post traumatic shock occurs which might lead to hallucinations or 'false memories'.

    Also, people tend to describe things that they don't understand as 'God' or similar depending on religion, etc.

    Nuts people.


    They are nuts.

    Children

    It is common amongst young people to have hallucinations, while they brains are developing. Also a child is not able to specificly describe what it experienced as it is a child. So if it was a child born and raised in christian family, then firstly it is already brainwashed with religion as it can't experience world based on logic yet, but most important it will describe things that it doesn't understand as 'angels' or 'god'. I bet chinese children see buddha, hindu - shiva, etc. etc.

    The day has been saved.

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    Btw, Meagain, I think it is really crappy evidence. I would even say this is not an evidence at all.
     
  10. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Walmart and similar supermarket chains seem to 'proof 'that our free will is rather dubious.
     
  11. psychedelicpiper

    psychedelicpiper Member

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    What about those who've been confirmed brain dead for several hours, even days?

    It's easy for people like you to give excuses and ride it off without truly looking into the matter.

    I'd argue that people are brainwashed into growing up spiritually dead in our society. I feel like the strict, rigid and disassociative implementation of religion is purposely being used these days to turn people off from God.
     
  12. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvxFXkv7L24"]Near Death Experiences Penn & Teller - YouTube
     
  13. FlyingFly

    FlyingFly Dickens

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    There were some examples of such low brain activity that the person was considered as dead, because that activity couldn't be measured with normal equipment. Thats why some people wake up in graves.

    Those are not excuses, those are explanations.
    Seriously? I'm the one not truly looking into the matter? From where I am standing it looks like you just blindly accepted the simpliest explanation for you to understand, not even allowing other possibilities to exist

    There are 99% chances that what I have said is true.
    There are 0.0001% chances that they saw 'god' or 'angels'.

    Someone here on forums said that some people have some sort of 'barier' in their mind. And because of it, they can't um... 'process' some things nor even notice that this barier exist.

    No. More people are able to see how big bs religion is. More people are conscious.

    Excluding the ones that are 'atheists' because they just don't want to go to church or because it is 'cool' to be 'atheist'.

    And anyway, what is wrong with being spiritually dead? What if I don't need imaginary spiritual being to tell me how to live, what to do, what to think? What if I have developed my own moral system and I know when to do what? I don't need spirituality.
     
  14. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    please! go to walmart , investigate conciousness , and
    then write something about it . if you are concious , the
    people there on that day - in that hour - shall be expecting
    you . if the doors are open and nobody's there but you ,
    mmm , write a movie script .
     
  15. autophobe2e

    autophobe2e Senior Member

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    looks to me like he did a little research and came back with a reasoned argument
    unless by "truly looking into the matter" you mean he should induce brain death in himself, what do you want?
     
  16. TAZER-69

    TAZER-69 Listen To Your Heart! Lifetime Supporter

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  17. FlyingFly

    FlyingFly Dickens

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    Sure it doesn't. It never does in christian - non christian conversations. ;)
    Thats why you are a christian in first place. ;)
     
  18. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    the last time (3 weeks ago) i was in the walmart the smiley old
    woman who was working the check-out was bubbily telling us that
    right now , right now she wanted to go run naked in the woods .

    i just happened to buy for $.79 a little curved mirror that gives the power to view a blind-spot .

    using this power prevents spiritual deadness/deadliness .
     
  19. Brainden

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    There is no logical circumstantial evidence. I don't even know of you critically analyzed that statement before posting it. Like I said, there's absolutely no sign of intelligent design. Think about this, the universe is 13.7 billion years old, we're 100/200 thousand years old. If god existed he'd have to be malevolent in some sense; think of the life cycle, every animal, insect, must destroy to survive. You can't say there's circumstantial evidence for a creator man. We live in a state that is(reality), which explicitly implies a state that isn't(death). Especially living in a deterministic world, where everything is determined by cause and effect; think of your mind, the absence of free will. Determinism is reality. When it comes to god, it implies we're born corrupt beings, commanded by our creator to be well. Does that make sense? The god debate is dead. There's no way to actually win a debate on the theistic side. Whether it's morality and ethics, or just trying to prove a negative, or a possible. No one is going to try to disprove some infinite consciousness of invisible benevolence isn't governing this planet. It's just an illogical argument. Like I said earlier, it's not worth pondering. It's just one of those topics not worth thinking about, but for most, it's 'important'.
     
  20. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    Ummm...

    nevermind.
     

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