Over The counter

And he also thought everyone wanted to fuck their mother and girls wish they had a penis. I was never a fan of his, sadly he is still a mainstay in modern psychiatry.

Some drugs should be avoided, coke is one of them.

 

......but you can't deny that he was an interesting fellow, and would have been worthy of in depth psychoanalysis.

 

We are not allowed to sell to people who are not using the medication for legit reasons - plain and simple. :2thumbsup:

And it's really not that hard to see what people need the medication and who is faking a cough when you have worked in the business for a while. The things they ask for, how they behave when you suggest one product vs another, etc.

That doesn't make me a fascist - it means I am following the guidelines of my workplace so that I don't get fired. My personal opinion really doesn't come into it.

If you worked in a pharmacy you kind of get told quite seriously about these kind of things. In terms of restricted medications, it is the pharmacist who is the medical expert - not the customer. No more 'fascist' than a doctor refusing a medication to a patient who may be abusing it.

Although maybe in the US you can just buy whatever drugs you want with no one looking after your health or safety. I know US gun laws are pretty lax, drug laws wouldn't surprise me. I am just speaking from personal experience in the country I have worked in pharmacy in.

 

The pharmacy around here is nice and they give me pure ethanol sometimes for "science" reasons cause they liked my honesty lol. Not sure how they'd react to getting a lot of DXM containing cough syrups, even though I wouldn't go for that sort of thing.

 

Benadryl (diphenhydramine)

I'm one of the few wackos out there who likes getting fucked up on these once in a while. You gotta space out your trips though or else your tolerance will go up and you'll have to take more pills to trip. that will just make you feel sick and scared out of your mind...trust me I experienced this.

If you want to have a good trip with Diph you have to be in a good mood before you pop em. The hallucinations seem SO real, like one time I went to this reggae concert and got hella stoned, popped 10 of those pink fuckers in the crowd, it was fuckin trippy man the music was orgasmic to my ears and the lights were just...omg. When we were walking home was when I tripped hard. I found myself talking to this dude who wasnt really there. I asked him if he needed a cigarette cuz he looked sad. "Who are you talking to?" My friend asked me. "That guy over there was really sad." I said. Later on the walk I was like: " omg I saw 3 guys over there...and then there were 2, and then there were only one....now theyre gone..." LOL my friend was laughing her ass off that was a fun night.

anyways, you should start with a lower dose just to be safe. Start with 5 of them and see how you feel. this is kinda fucked up advice...to pop some allergy medicine...but hey I'm a fucked up person so you can take it or leave it.

have a fun trip

 

I ate some morning glory seeds that gave me slight visuals. Also made me sick and I ate two whole packs. They were gross, even though I washed them first. It was sightly pleasant, slightly unpleasant.

 

yeah theres nothing out there over the counter any more but the kids around here are drinking cold meds by the bottle full and its sad because this stuff has tylenol in it witch will kill your liver in high doses

 

Cough syrup is very bad for you, despite the active ingredients. I've read a lot into, being interested in it awhile back. I don't remember all of the common ingredient mixes, and I don't care to look them up. But there are many cough syrup that will contain DXM and some other ingredient(s) that started with a b or g I think, very long name.. And they will make you vomit like no other at dosages high enough for the DXM to make you trip.

Some will even make you sick enough for hospitalization, and you sure don't want that. So I guess if you really want to try DXM, research very carefully, there Are cough medicines with only DXM.

 

And I don't know why everyone was hating on Wiccan witch on this thread. His/her personal preferences aside, a pharmacist should NOT be allowed to feed something like this, it's not safe. And what if the person got into real troupe because of some over the counter medicine,just because some kid wanted to get high one day. Stick to weed

 

That's simple. If you're taking DXM, don't buy crap that has additional things in in!

It's not having that opinion, it's having it and being in a position of power with it, and using it. If people want to take DXM that's their issue. We know for a fact that you can't keep people from taking drugs, they will just find another way..... and it will be less safe. witch could have let people see that DXM isn't that great so maybe they'd get over it, but witch chose to mess with them so they'd go play with datura or whatever.

It's not right to mess with the things people put in their own bodies. You can guide them, like when my checkout person asked me if cough syrup really worked, and I educated him on the importance of having only DXM and that sort of thing.... but you can't force them in most situations without being not only a bad person, but an ineffectual one.

 

I don't completely disagree with this. But cough syrup/DXM seems like "this other drug people would go mess with" it really isn't worth it in my opinion. And by having a pharmacist not allow a person to obtain this for the purpose of robo tripping, the person would move on, and decide to try something else.

The hard part is people become stupid when they're desperate for a high, and start to care less about the dangers of a "drug". Which is where I have to agree with your statement on this one. But it'd be a lot safer and more simple if they could just stick to marijuana. It's probably even easier to obtain than over the counter medicine.

My real disagreement with you though, isn't people going off and doing less safe drugs. My disagreement is the root of this problem is the fact that DXM is one of these less safe drugs. For someone to already be looking for DXM, they need to be turned away from the opportunity. I've heard and read many stories about kids who have whamed their heads on corner of things due to lack of coordination. And it is known to cause brain lesions in high and/or frequent doses. It's better To just avoid DXM to begin with.

 

Olney's lesions have been observed in lab rats. Not a shred of evidence that it happens in humans, and if so it would be with MASSIVE and very frequent dosing.

I'm not worried about people hurting themselves on drugs, they simply need to be educated. And hurt because of lack of coordination? Come on, the most widly used drug in the world, alcohol? It's MAIN function is sending your mental and physical coordination to shit.

Just by the way, "over the counter" means, at least in the US, that you just pick it up off a shelf or ask for it.... it's handed "over the counter", with no need to argue your case or anything, just like aspirin. You just buy the shit, it's the MOST easy to get. Way easier and legally safer than pot.

Of course DXM isn't the most safe drug, and it's not the worst by a long shot. A pharmacy is loaded with opiates, which have FAR more potential to ruin lives than DXM. So johnny gets turned away at the pharmacy and goes and gets hooked on mom's expired vicodin.... better? He even took it as directed!

And regardless of that, I believe that it is wrong to tell people what chemicals they may self-administer. Simply wrong. I would have no issue with giving a truthful warning about recreational use before allowing purchase, but denying it is not the right thing to do, and will not even have a positive effect.

I've hit my head on the corners of things on pot. And on alcohol. And totally sober. I've taken some really nasty falls totally sober. I don't think people falling and hitting their heards an DXM is a reason to deny it to shoppers.

So yeah, you're totally right, DXM isn't the greatest drug, they would do better to eat a strip of acid. But if they're going to do it it's best that they do it right and get it over with, and it IS their right to do it. You can't simply turn people away from doing drugs that you don't agree with, or NOBODY WOULD SMOKE POT, they've been trying to turn us away from it for generations!

 

My apologies, a story was cut short from trying to back space. Two kids were tripping DXM. Due to the lack of coordination one of them whammed their head into the side of a roofs awning, cutting the persons head. They were both tripping so hard, they didn't even notice the kid was bleeding until the effects began to wore off. Much evidence of brain lesions have been linked to use of DXM. A quick google search is enough for that.

When was I ever trying to defend alcohol as better or worse than DXM?

Are you really so naive enough to believe some dumbass teenage kid did enough research on the drug he heard would make him high? Not to say they're aren't people out there. But chemicals like this are dangerous and shouldn't be used for getting high. I think it's fucking retarded pot is illegal, it's one of the safest drugs on the planet, and it'd make scenarios like this 100x simpler. I don't think I have to argue this point with you.

From what I understand about you roorshack, you are very liberatarian. I much respect that, but it crosses a line when some kid is trying to willingly trash his life for a simple high without knowing the consequences. The real root of the problem is the fact that the kid has to hide the fact that he wants to get high. He can't talk about it and find the safest way to do it, he can't get the education. There is no legal high. And I think that is the real criminal policy. It is very natrual for an animal, never mind a human to desire a different state of mind. But trashing yourself on cough syrup isn't the way to do it, and if it takes someone like Wiccan witch to prevent it, so be it.

 

thats nice and all preventing teens from buying drugs. but you wouldnt have a nice conversation with me asking me what Im buying a product for .. Im a grown adult. its none of your fucking business.

btw these condoms are for gay sex too , if you dont mind..

 

I know you didn't say alcohol is better, I was simply saying that that story about the kids head is VERY tame compared to things that happen at a standard alcohol fueled house party.

I think you need to bear in mind the differences between "high" in different ways. This is why it is important to force education (that way at least they can take it or leave it, instead of having no idea and nobody preach to them before selling them a drug). Pot is not a substitute for the smeared colours, intense physical sensations, moderate psychedelic enlightenment, music appreciation, and sense of contentment, that a medium DXM dose can bring. This is a "high", but not something where you can just go smoke some pot for the same thing. In fact, I think a single dose is a very nice intro to psychedelic thinking, if you're the type who believes in the need for that (I don't in most cases, but I'm still open to it in others)

I stand by what I said: there is not one shred of evidence that DXM causes Olney's lesions in humans -- it DOES in rodents, I don't think there is even data on apes. I think that it's really a shame there has never been an autopsy to check in heavy ketamine or DXM users.

It seems clear that you can impair yourself with DXM and possibly ketamine given heavy use, and as I have said before on here, I sort of wish that I'd done DXM less, but I really don't know if it made me slower or not..... I think I'm allright. (I've done it somewhere around/under a dozen times, well spaced. I expect my sleepless coffee fueled lifestyle is much worse for me than DXM ever was)

 

DPH - bennedryl nydol (awful drug for pleasure)
DXM - cough suppressant (fun for a few k type trips if doses right)

RC's - look into these if your looking for legal, easy to obtain (buyers beware!)