Islam is about peace and love?

You have forgot that in Quran always the new verse will override the old one. All the peaceful messages are old verses, the new verses are not that peaceful anymore. So the old verses are not valid anymore.

 

If the old verses are invalid why are they still teached?

 

Well they still can be teached but proper teaching of Quran is that the new verse will cover the old one. So it would mean that its not proper Islam if you only take the old verse but skip the new verse.

 

This really isn't worthy of time in my opinion (your first citation is an out of context misquote, so I'll stop after discussing it.)

Holy Qur'an 2:126 reads: "And, lo, Abraham prayed: 'O my Sustainer! Make this a land secure, and grant its people fruitful sustenance - such of them as believe in God and the Last Day.' [God] answered: 'And whoever shall deny the truth, him will I let enjoy himself for a short while -but in the end I shall drive him to suffering through fire: and how vile a journey's end!'"

This says nothing about "kill the unbelievers." It says just like the Bible that those who reject faith will be punished by the Abrahamic God:

"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son." John 3:18, New International Version

"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them." John 3:36, New International Version

 

I haven't forgotten anything lol. Nothing overrides anything in the Qur'an because nothing contradicts anything...You have forgotten Surah 4:82: "Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy." Yusuf Ali translation

(And I'm still an agnostic for the record...)

 

I see many Muslims who are peaceful. Just everyday people trying to live their life, but like with Christianity, some use as an excuse for hatred.
In my opinion what you see now is the dark ages of Islam. Think of how evil the Catholic Church once was. How they killed anyone who opposed them claiming it was the will of God. How long ago was that? The dark ages ended 5 or 6 centuries ago. That is what Islam is now. Do what I say and there is peace, do not and I will kill you.

Well Islam was founded about 5 or 6 centuries after Christianity. So to be blunt they are not as evolved, sorry if that offends anyone but is true. They have to grow. I can only hope Muslims will rise and stand against the way the religion is now. They need to have their own Renaissance where they realize that their religion is not an excuse for hatred. And they need to respect their women. not fear them.

 

Irshad Manji envisions a way to live the Islamic life that is peaceful, loving and tolerant of diversity of thought. Though I did not choose the path of Islam, she and I both chose the path of peace and we are not alone in that quest.
https://www.irshadmanji.com/

 

Who hacked my post? Why is the font size different?

 

Yesterday, Islamists in Libya killed the US Ambassador and 3 others, apparently because an Israeli Jew living in California produced a movie that insulted Mohammed. Not good for the reputation of Islam. I expect a backlash.

 

I find this behaviour vile and evil of course. But really what kind of backlash can there be? You can insult Christians, Catholics, Jews, Hindus and they will be pissed off but wll not go on a killing spree in the name of God. The only people that do this are muslims. But its not a government or an organization so you cannot "get them"
No, islam is an idea which has become perverted largely due to power crazy mullahs and extreme outfits like the taliban. It has become a disease, literally like a cancer. Which is something benign that has gone bad.
We cannot cure cancer. We cannot cure radial islam.
Yet.

 

You are wrong, there are radical and aggressive followers in any of those religions you mentioned.
It's also likely that these protests at middle eastern american embassies were planned by a group like al'Quaida. This is of course not an excuse for the protesters that actually got so riled up that they killed people but I think in essence the religion is not to blame but just the radical organization that takes advantage of situations like the publication of this movie.
There are so much muslims who hate this kind of violence. You really should distinguish the radical islamic groups from the overall religion.

 

Most religions promote hate if you believe different from what they believe.

 

Which does not mean the religion can't be about the opposite in the first place.

 

The radicals are a very, very small percent, we just hear about them the most because their impact is insanely disproportional. There is a decent Muslim population here in kzoo and, having discussed this issue many times, it seems that most muslims will say that anyone who uses the Qur'an to justify violence is misusing it. At its core, Islam is about commitment and brotherhood, not violence.

Secondly, theres a cutural difference deeper than religion. To many Arabs, Western occupation amounts to another crusade. To them, we're the bad guys. Hate and distrust wont help, we have to start with policy change.

 

I have heard so many times that most Moslems are peace-loving moderates. Really? How come we don't hear their leaders denouncing the violence? Are they afraid to speak up? Or is the media refusing to air their sentiments?

 

Which leaders? Imams? Perhaps on local levels they do but since they are more like reverends than bishops for instance it is only preached on a local level and not considered worthy of wordl wide media attention. Just a guess. I don't think they have something similar as a patriarch or pope.

 

Well its a religion isn't it? And as such there are not really leaders. At is core is a holy book, in this case the koran and then you have a hierarchy of imams. To a certain extent each one of these has interpreted the book in his own way (and of course its always a HIM)
Some of these guys preach peace and understanding. Some preach hate, violence and retribution. People have a duty to take on as much of these teachings as they see fit I guess. Just because you have a priest.immam or whatever does not mean you have to abandon your own internal moral compass. Unless you are really a stupid sub-human.
The organisations that have leaders are taliban - who are hate filled agressive dumb assholes. They even hate their own people (how else do you explain their treatment of women)
They can persuade hapless and bewildered young men to join the holy cause and strap explosives to themselves with the promise of an afterlife stuffed full of virgins.
Its just pathetic.
But then you get situations where a critical mass develops and people all over the place find something to be offended by, and lets face it, muslims do not need to look very far, and then it all kicks off.
As mentioned, Christianity also has radical and aggressive leaders and followers. But you can always count on muslims to overreact in appalling ways. And such is the reach and deeply entrenched dogma of the fundamentalists that everyone is afraid of them. Including their own people.

 

^ Just striking how much similarities there are with the black pages of christian history. This gives me actually hope that it is just a phase in islam as well. Like said earlier in this thread this seems to be the dark ages of Islam. All of these influences and developments they have to deal with Christianity has delt with too (not too righteous at first). So I have the conviction it is the times, circumstances and (a minority of) the people, not the religion itself that is radical and hateful.

 

What is the idea behind posting these pics (especially the second one), noodle?