Question about cross tolerances and different drugs at a festival.

Ok, so say you're going to a four day festival this weekend. You're pretty open to try most things, and it's the sort of place where all sorts of drugs are really readily available.

Now say you wanna try LSD, shrooms, ketamine, DMT, and MDMA. Maybe not all of them over the four days, but maybe three different ones at least since it's a great setting to do it in.

Now, is there anything in that list that shouldn't go together? Should one be taken before another because of tolerance reasons? Are any even better when combined with another? What would you do over this four day period?

 

lsd +mdma...

 

Sounds like fun, they all go together pretty well in my experience.

But I have not done dmt while on LSD...yet. I will eventually but from what I hear it is quite the experience to say the least.

I have never done shrooms and LSD together either or k with shrooms, or dmt with k...

But I have had my share of each one of those, the only combo I might not try together on the list is dmt while on k. I would be worried about having a "dark" dmt experience from it.
But that's just me, I'm certain that there are folks out there that have done all of these at the same time.

If there is one piece of advice I can give you it is this:

When preparing to take any psychedelic or any drug for that matter, take a while to think about why you are going to do it...intent is everything. If you want to go to a festival and just take a bunch of random drugs just to say you did it...that's not a good reason.

 

No real point in mixing LSD and shrooms, I've known people to do it, it's cool, but only if you can afford a lot. Those will be the only two to show a cross tolerance with each other

Candy-flipping or Hippie Flipping is a great idea for a festival! mix the MDMA with either the shrooms or LSD and you will have a great time

DMT won't have a cross tolerance with these drugs, and I heard it's best to mix with LSD or shrooms, not so much with MDMA. Another idea is to take shrooms or LSD, then smoke DMT right away, and you should come back into a trip and better understand your visions

Alcholol can be used to lessen the effects of a trip if it gets really bad, you won't get drunk, but be careful, you can get a strong hangover.

Weed will make things more comfortable, but can also bring back the effects of a trip. If you're coming-down from a fun trip, smoking weed can enhance the effects again! I wouldn't mix weed with DMT though, because it will make the incredible experience kind of hazy.

I don't know the most about K, and I've been interested in it, but I don't think a festival is the best setting for such a dissociative experience, also don't think mixing it with anything is that great, but there should be people who know more about mixing k with other drugs than I do.

Have a great time man!

 

I'm going to agree with black lotus,

The only time I ever smoked dmt while on MDMA I was very disappointed in the experience...it was like there was a wall that prevented me from going into hyperspace.
Even at like 50-60mg vaporized. I got the full body load from the dmt but nothing really visually. I won't waste dmt that way again.

 

K is really popular at festivals

Black_Lotus, I thought you just recently (past year) got into psychedelics...

I wouldn't see why you'd want to take Shroom + LSD
But MDMA with either would be great fun.

I know people to just take as many drugs as they are offered, and they are pretty hardcore psychonauts.

Nothin wrong with choosing one day to do a drug, another day to do another. Get to the fest and feel it out, no reason to try and make a plan, only to have it not follow through and end up disappointed

 

Yeah It's only been about exactly a year since I first tapped in, but I read a lot. And have lots of connections that are pretty adventurous in this stuff

I honestly never though K would have been that popular at festivals, I've never seen it, my bad I guess. Most of the people I know with K already have an addiction, and just carry it around it in their wallet, and use it to escape from reality when it gets too hard. They're the only people I know to use K, so I guess that's why I haven't tried it yet.. Personally I wouldn't try it at a festival, but don't let my opinion stop you there!

I think every other drug OP listed fits better for a festival IMO. From my understanding, using K is kind of feeling "drunk underwater" and won't produce much music enhancement, it's really something that produces an escape, which is why I don't think it is fit for a festival. And again this is all from reading and experiences from people I know, I don't want to claim to know a lot about something I haven't tried

 

I agree with everything here except for DMT not having any sort of cross tolerance. If you wait well into the peak of your LSD or shroom trip and smoke DMT you very well may experience a degree of tolerance to DMT, although considering how powerful DMT is, it will still likely enhance your trip a bit and being at a festival I'm not sure if you are seeking to get as far out on DMT as possible, but most efficient way is to smoke DMT right after dosing as is mentioned.

Taking ketamine on the comedown of MDMA is really quality. Ketamine pretty much negates the comedown of MDMA while the MDMA makes the ketamine more euphoric. Also ketamine at high doses where it's more of a 'trip' is often hard to process as its very abstract and disasscociating and the MDMA provides somewhat more of an awareness of the experience and ability to process it. Probably stick to lower doses of Ketamine unless you have a tent or somewhere safe to K-hole at.

I have Candyflipped (LSD + MDMA) with Ketamine once as well. I found that a pretty euphoric combo but also sort of a sloppy trip, enjoyable but very unfocused.

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So for the festival...

I'd go with a Candyflip the day of the music I want to see the most. Dose LSD than MDMA 3 hours later.

One of the other days I'd take some ketamine.


Maybe DMT another day.

 

Thanks for all the responses guys! In terms of ketamine and DMT, we have a tent for that. I'm trying to maximize the experiences of each since I rarely get a chance for things like this, that's why I wonder about cross tolerances. In everyone's opinion, which is better, hippie flipping or candy flipping?

Also I wanna take both LSD and Shrooms there, in terms of the tolerance issues, what should I do? Take shrooms the first day and LSD the last?

 

Had some fuckin' awesome experiences with K and MD at festivals.. moonwalking round this shifting landscape that makes no sense whatsoever, lying on concrete blocks that feel like impossibly soft memory foam pillows as the Hole starts to engulf you into the craziest streams of thought.. strange patterns grind into existence, materialising out of this dark, yet somehow friendly abyss behind your eyelids...

..and then you start to come out of it and realise you're 3ft from the urinals in a curled up ball, laughing because you're completely confused but are slightly aware that people are looking at you as if it's time for you to fuck off home and get a grip on life.

You gotta make sure you've got somewhere nice to K hole, otherwise you'll end up doing it anywhere. But I recommend the experience, at least once.


For me, DMT at a festival would be a waste.. just cos you're likely to be smoking/taking a lot of other shit that's likely to drive most of the memories of the experience out of your noggin anyway.. I'd save that for home or somewhere you can savour it.

I'd also recommend 30-40+mg of AMT - that shit's the perfect festival trip in my opinion.. Mad as hell visuals that you can kinda "draw" with, a bit of a stimulated edge to it so you've got the energy to dance, and the doors are open so if you wanna jump down the rabbit hole you can do so at will(and get pretty far with a clear head) instead of getting shoved down whether you like it or not..
Some acid or shrooms on top of that would be pretty damn sweet, planning to try that in the next few months. I'd lower the AMT dose if you're planning on combining it with another psych unless you think you know what you're doing, as it's also a mild MAOI.
Also - take note, it's got a long ass come up (around 2 hours).. so don't overdo it cos it ain't working.. cos it probably is


And doesn't matter which you take first, acid or shrooms.. the first trips gonna be stronger - but taking double the acid to make up for the tolerance is easier than munching double the shrooms.. so I'd go for the shrooms first if you're set on doing both.

 

I have mixed all those but not all at the same time.

I have done cannabis+LSD+dmt and it was pretty crazy as I didn't know the dmt was on the weed hah.

 

Yes, one should have some experience before writing in an authoritative voice.

Back to the OP: It's a conundrum, no doubt about it. Depending on which performers are playing when, maybe mushies or 4-aco-dmt the first night, mdma the second, chill the third, lucy the 4th. Or, to avoid any post-mdma negative influences on a trip, maybe plan the mdma for the last night, mushies or 4-aco the first, chill the 2nd, lucy the 3rd, then mdma the 4th. Even for people who have the stamina, a day off isn't a bad idea. That might be a good time for some ket.

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After seeing what blew away and what stayed secure in a huge windstorm at Sonic Bloom several years ago, I got a "first up" canopy (like a gazebo) at Walmart. It's really nice for people to hang out under - and for sleeping there's plenty of room for 4 people - or more. It's no good for windy rain, so I still put up a tent just in case.

 

I agree with with Meaty Mushroom that it would probably be easier to do shrooms the first day and LSD the last, but I just want to add:
What will you have more of? The last day, you're going to what to pretty much double the dose that you would originally take, which again would be easier with acid, but it depends what you'll have.

I've heard more about Candy-Flipping (LSD + MDMA) than hippie flipping (Shrooms + MDMA) but everytime I've heard of it, it's about the most amazing experience, so I guess it's up to you! If you're going to do Shrooms day one, I guess I'd recommend a hippie-flip. That way you'll get the most out of your first trip, and on the chance that the shrooms are very low in potency, you will still be in ecstasy! ;p

Does anyone know how to time a hippie flip though? I believe you will want to eat the shrooms first and then about 1 hour in take your dose of x, but I could be wrong. In fact, you may even want to dose them the same time?

 

Ehhh...I dunno about the shrooms first night LSD last.
shrooms, LSD and MDMA all act on Seratonin re-uptake inhibition if I am not mistaken.

I would choose either LSD or shrooms, and do MDMA with or close after taking the former, then use the following days as recovery or more MDMA/DMT and weed. Hell drinkin booze might allow you to lose inhibitions within an afterglow and have some trippy experiences with some weeds.


because of the cross-tolerance, you may find either LSD or shrooms to be lacking if you took them on separate days

also, I have read that your tolerance actually goes up for a few days before coming back down, so if you were to take shrooms AND LSD on separate days, you would want them to be consecutive. I could be wrong on this, but I do know there are some slight cross-tolerance issues to be had.


doing a whole cocktail of drugs will also leave you pretty drained, make sure you have plenty of water and are eating at least something semi-nutritious. It might not be worth it to go all out only to be left hating your life for the next 2 weeks. Festivals aren't solely about the drugs, man. Enjoy meeting people and learning new things if they offer workshops, you don't have to get fucked up to have a great time - there is definitely a proximity high that you can achieve being stone sober and around a bunch of eclectic trippers.

 

Agreed _^
Marijuana feels more psychedelic after a recent trip IME and I would personally do that the last day

LSD tolerance shows a rapid tolereance effect that takes about 4-5 days to even start to settle back to normal, doubling up the dose is a method often used to counteract this.

I've self experimented with LSD tolerance, and even a double up will produce effects, but it does feel less meaningful and your mind isn't as attracted to the experience. But it works. And I'd imagine a cross tolerance would help a bit make the second trip better. But I guarantee your first trip will be your best/strongest! Which is why I suggest either the hippie-flip or Candy-flip day 1. Someone just posted a Candy-flip experience under the LSD section, read through that and see if that's what you want

 

.......don't read other peoples' experiences to decide "if that's what you want" - you can never predict trips, much less based on OTHER PEOPLES trips........


I would strongly suggest going to the fest with an open mind and doing what you feel is right...

 

What the hell is wrong with reading through someone's experience to see if it is something you're interested in? Damn!

 

I would figure out what you want for the whole weekend, and find where you want to buy it on the first day. As the supply changes, from the first day, towards the end of the festival, you will find that which is in short supply price will hold steady and maybe give a slight rise, and that which is available in plenty, the price will drop to near nothing. Use this to your advantage, try to keep note of what you are offered on the first day by all, ask them where their campsite is. Only buy in the first day, what you are going to use in the first day. Trip in the first day if that's what you want... but it's good for me to get familiarized and set up before doing this. Then in the second day, decide which of the contacts you made in the previous day, you believe that you should buy from. Keep your guard up here, scammers sell at festivals too and you may receive something fake and inactive or misrepresented yet active. The second day usually removes most of the scammers, they sell the first day and leave when the sun goes down... final tip: If you see a sign that says "Drug Checkpoint Ahead" stay on the highway and don't take the exit...

 

Thanks for all the input everyone!

The cross tolerance between LSD and shrooms is the main thing I'm fretting about, since I want a complete experience with both since I get very very limited opportunities to take them. I'll probably go shrooms first, then acid. Seems to me like there would be a little less tolerance there.

Also in terms of what peter pan said, thank you! Good advice! I have been thinking a little about prices and getting ripped off, so that advice was much appreciated! I'm planning on bringing $300, so I should have more than enough for four days!

This is gonna be my first doof, so I'm pretty keen right now! I'll make sure I write a trip report when I get back!

 

The tolerance will be the same either way, you're still gonna have to munch more of the latter to get the desired affects.. it's just that letting a few extra 1/4 pieces of paper sit on your tongue is a lot easier than munching through an extra 2-3g of mushrooms..

But yeah, take care and enjoy.