Something that has really came to our attention since entering the swinging lifestyle is just how many couples out there are only interested in chasing the unicorn (single bi female). Don't get me wrong the ffm experience is truly amazing and something we would not hesitate to do again seeing as my lady is very bi and loves being with other woman. The thing that annoys the hell out of us is where we are located it seems that is all the couples are looking for and we are way more openminded then limiting ourselves to just that scenirio. Being with another couple with a bi girl gives us that option and so much more. So many great things can happen with four sexual people playing together in one room. Instead I would go as far as to say that most of these couples that are only looking for the unicorn probably never get to experience anything. I mean of coarse it can happen, but the chances are not very high when everyone is looking for the same thing. We get the impression that there are alot of bi curious woman out there that would like to try being with another woman and their men of coarse don't mind the thought of bringing another woman in to play with. Sure most of these guys just tell their woman sure we can be with another woman just so you can try it honey, because that is just how much I love you, lol. Of coarse these great guys have no problem fucking another girl for the team (how noble), but forget about their girl being fucked by another guy! That is just not going to happen. To us this is just a big fucking joke and we think it is a double standard. Not our problem I guess well these joke couples are out there plugging away trying to find that unicorn my woman will be munching on lots of pussy and we will be having the time of our lives with the few actual free thinking people that are out there.
No, don't hold back, tell us what you really feel I guess its because its mainly the guy who is the driving force behind fulfilling this kind of fantasy and most guys get off on the idea of seeing two girls together. Also factor in that many blokes are more likely to become jealous and territorial towards other men, maybe because they are insecure that she'll decide this new guy is a better lover and run off with them Mostly though its probably to do with the attitude of many guys towards same sex interaction. Girl on girl is seen as hot, but a lot of guys are really paranoid and insecure about any kind of sexual contact with another male. Its also why a lot of (bad) porn seems to go to such lengths to have as little of the guy in shot as possible or just shows girl on girl. I've seen ads for guys for mfm threesomes request bi guys, even though the guys aren't going to be doing anything together, just so they can avoid any hangups. Lets face it, at a minimum you're going to be catching sight of some other guys junk, and unless you are taking well defined turns there'll be some touching in the general free for all! Personally a prefer the idea of mfm. Its just a lot more practical in terms of the number if innies and outies.
Totally get what you are saying unknown lifeform and got to agree with your points! It has become clear to me even being the guy that men are the weaker link in this lifestyle. I guess I should not complain to much though, because by encourging my lady to be free with her sexuality I am the winner. Her confidence in herself has hit new heights and she is always telling me how much better she feels about herself not having to have her sexuality suppressed like society would have you believe it should be when you are a woman. I also get to enjoy the benifit of an incredable sex life with someone who does not have to hold back.
In the swingers lifestyle a unicorn is a single bi woman. If you go on any swingers forum that is what they are called, because they are about as common as finding a unicorn.
It's interesting to me how quickly I learned of the term "unicorn" when I first became interested in the swing scene. I first suggested FFM to my boyfriend because I've always found women attractive and it was something I wanted to try. We also went the FFM route because it was what we were both comfortable with to start. It actually wasn't very difficult to find a bi female to join us, but that's probably because we live in a very liberal college town. Anyway, now that we've tried that, we're looking to try FMM. That seems a lot more slow going because my boyfriend is way pickier than me. He's told me that he wants to find a guy that he feels like he could be buddies with, that's "worthy" of getting to be with me (his words). If that's what it takes for him to be comfortable with it, that's fine with me. So yeah, after that I think we'll progress to FMFM. Not sure if any of this was helpful, but that's our thought process on the whole swinging thing.
That is great to hear! Don't get me wrong we to love the ffm. It is my ladies favorite option as well, because she really loves being with other woman. Can't say I blame your man for wanting to make sure you guys find the right guy either. If he is anything like me he probably respects you tons and doesn't just want any piece of shit having their way with you and trust me there are more then a few piece of shit guys out there. We also want to try the mmf more for my fantasy's, but will not just do it with anyone. The mfmf is a whole lot of fun in so many ways with the right people. So many things that can be done with that many naked bodies in the room and less of a risk of a clingy person with another couple.
As a former unicorn...currently in a mono relationship, never assume that because a woman is into men and women she will be into both of you. Just sayin'.
Hmm, this makes me wonder about bi women and their attraction to other women. Is visual attraction quite as important or does there need to be a mental connection? For me, I think looks don't matter to me as much as personality. As far as I'm concerned, she doesn't need to have a smokin' body or a gorgeous face. I won't go so far as to say that looks aren't a factor; it's just not at the top of my list, so to speak. When it comes to guys, however, visual attraction is important. I'm not really sure why.
That`s funny, because swingers seem extremely close-minded and homophobic to me. How about being open-minded and having a mmf threesome with a single guy? Oh, you`re waiting for that special guy. That`s what I thought. Actually, vanilla. That`s what swingers seem to me. There, I said it.
OP, my girlfriend is bi and I have a open invitation to mff when the opportunity presents itself. She only told me this a few weeks ago. I, on the other hand, would not let any guy near her. I don't think you see all angles. Call it selfishness, possessiveness, alpha male versus beta male, a double standard, whatever you want to call it, but the personalities of men and women are not the same. In my experience in life women are just much more less possessive when it comes to sex. And I'm hoping this doesn't get me flamed, but I've always been considered good looking and work out, play sports, eat a extremely clean diet, etc... and have never had trouble with even the hottest of women, so maybe it's also a matter of circumstance. Why would I share my woman with other men if I don't need to when I can still get the attention of women regardless all day long every day. I think beta males that don't get as much pussy will slowly over time rationalize how fully swinging (another dick in your wife) is a better philosophy cause lets face it - it fits better with a healthy self image. The only stipulation is she has to pick the girl - luckily she's not one who's intimidated by other women, more so she's just attracted to them.
While I agree with your premise, I have a former who often said he'd love to watch me with another male. Not in a cuckold way, but in a see her having fun way. I wonder if the cuckold feeling drives MMF for some men, and makes it out of the question for others? Sure, there is the whole complex issues of homoerotic feelings (note this isn't the exact same as homosexuality) bit for the manly grunt ugh sorts.
Not sure who pissed in your wheaties! Not sure what swingers you have meet and spent time with, but I am going to guess none. Close-minded and homophobic eh. We have not seen or experienced either of these things yet. Considering the couples we meet all have bi woman I find it hard to believe that any of them are homophobic. Also considering the large amount of sexy things everyone enjoys together without jealousy tells me that these people are very open-minded. We would gladly have a mmf with another guy and yes he would have to be the right guy, just like any woman or couple would have to be the right people. Just, because people swing doesn't mean they are going to fuck anything that moves! Maybe you will do anything that moves though seeing as you are so open-minded. There is nothing vanilla about our sex life on or own or with others, but if you say so I guess it must be true.
Tell me this.....men very fond of me often want to watch me with other men. Does that make them a "swinger"? I like variety for sure, yet I'm unsure whether I would want to be watched. My idea of swinging is, if I knew a couple where the man was hot, I would like the freedom to fuck him. If I had to swap to do so, I suppose I would deal with it. Although deep down I would not normally want my gut fucking other girls. I've tried MMF and it was too busy for my tastes. I will never do FFM. Licking pussy or feeling boobies doesn't nothing for me.
There is no right or wrong in the swinging lifestyle! There is only what is right for you and the person you are living the lifestyle with! We get contacted all the time by people that have different wants out of it, but we both know what we are looking for out of it and try and find others looking for the same. You should only ever move as fast as the slower person in the couple and must be able to communicate honestly and openly about everything with your partner to make it work.
My girlfriend and I will soon do a threesome but it'll be MMF. I planted that seed some time ago and she told me yesterday that she found a guy who was interested. Having said that, the guy told her that he and a buddy would be glad to do her.....not exactly what I had in mind but it's a starting point anyway. What I envision as a starting point is more along the lines of me watching her with him and phototgraphing at the same time. I'm sure I'd be in the mood to join in the festivities at some point though. I should know much more by the end of next week as she plans to see the guy next Wednesday.
Awesome great news for you guys! Hope it all works out. Just be sure you are on the same page on how it goes down and if you are not comfortable with the extra guy there they don't go through with it. It will only be a good experience if you two want the same thing. We are working on maybe setting up a mmf ourselves very soon and it is something I am looking very forward to.
For me, I think the most important thing is that she be comfortable with the other guy. She's known him for some time but they've never been together sexually. Apparently while text messaging (he lives in another city) she told him she had a fantasy of doing two guys. Within a day or two he told her that he and a buddy would be glad to help her experience her fantasy. Finding another male for a MMF encounter here is not easy even under the best of conditions. Latino males are very jealous of other males. Most have girlfriends on the side but their girlfriends are absolutely not allowed to stray sexually. Throw in the fact that I'm a gringo and it gets even more complicated when discussing a MMF encounter. My girlfriend is a free spirit and she really enjoys the liberties I give her. For the longest time it was almost impossible to get her to be honest with me about her activities. Again, I'm sure it was a cultural thing....I suspect she just couldn't believe that I could accept her as she is so she felt the need to hide her desires. She's now finally come to realize that I accept her for who she is and our relationship is much more satisfying for both of us. And hey, enhancer, I've been to Saskatoon.