God does not exist

'Does God exist?' - I think the question itself attempts to legitimise a false paradigm. It falsely intelectualises a question that is irrelevant. We don't ask the question: Do ducks fight in an integalactic war for ownership of golden carrots? The simple answer to that one is - absolutely not. I suspect those who wrote the bible engineered this question to endlessly trap humans in a loop of conversation. If it is being spoken about - there is a reality to the question.

 

This post just assures me that you have no interest in real scientific theory, but only in belittling and denigrating the opposition of your claim in an attempt to discount the points asserted there without any real substantiation. It's like the RNC up in here :afro:

 

Yes life is as simple as there being no Santa Claus or tooth fairy.

 

Why does everyone bring up Santa and the Tooth Fairy? I think that is a very weak argument.

Santa is Pagan anyway geeze

 

What about the argument is weak?

 

The part where the tooth fairy isn't real, so therefore God is not real. When someone uses that as proof that God doesn't exist it's just as weak as saying that, "God is real because the bible tells me he is."

 

Paley's telelogical argument focuses on the complexity of design. The world consists of complex atomic structures and biological beings with dozens of internal systems working together. And you say this is formed on its own. But what if you found a watch? You know that a watch must have a maker because such precise and purposeful engineering does not occur on its own. So why must the watch have a maker and the man not?

 

You're making the argument weak as youre making up a conclusion that wasn't stated.

I didn't state that because the tooth fairy is not real therefore God must not be real. I stated that critical thinking is used to arrive to the conclusion that the Tooth Fairy and Santa Clause are not real despite it being instilled to children. Religion is often instilled to children as well and I often see critical thinking used to arrive at the conclusion of there being no god.

 

I wasn't specifically talking about your post. I was talking about the many times I've seen the tooth fairy used as proof that God doesn't exist.

To an Athiest I can see that the two could probably be comparable. But to a Christian they have no relevance to each other.

 

Maelstrom read autobiography of a yogi by paramahansa yogananda it is very good. others by him is the book second coming of christ and bagavad gita commentary. the last two are big undertakings but i would like to hear your opinion, even if you read a little. i have had too much of "experiance" with god in my humble opinion to say there is no existence. but id say give these books a chance (autobiography) . not saying they will please you tho. everyone seems like they want to convince others of their opinion, but we each have our own realaties and experiances that confirm or deny our opinions. one says god exist one says god does not.... each one thinks hes right according to their experiance, evidence, research, proof, etc. ive been asking to myself latley, not about god existence, but other god things, morality, rules, socitey, illusion etc, about really.... how everyone is in their own dream world in their minds. those books have two different religous backrounds, because it seems everyones into merging religons, but these were written a long time ago. and even if you dont read them.... i say.... keep an open mind!
peace

 

you can feel all of existence since you are existence ?
a child will ask 'what is this i feel' . there's not always
a reply . should the feeling come again , this can begin
an original knowing . in the furtherence of knowledge a
non-reply can be better than a reply of disdain , and a
fanciful story-book reply is better than a disreguard/forget
it . existence can be emotionally denied , and is pathos .
gots a mysterious pathos . God does not exist suggests
this . a happy mind graciously allows god to exist for others .

 

"earnestly and prayerfully" seek it ...Definition: with great force
Synonyms: actively, angrily, animatedly, boisterously, briskly, brutally, cruelly, earnestly , energetically, ferociously, fiercely, forcibly, frantically, furiously, heavily, intensely, keenly, like fury, madly, meanly, painfully, powerfully, relentlessly, rigorously, roughly, rowdily, savagely, seriously, severely, sharply, spiritedly, sprightly, stormily, strongly, tumultously/tumultuously, turbulently, uproariously, urgently, viciously, vigorously, violently, vivaciously, wildly, with all one's might
Antonyms: gently, softly .
"..prayerfully" ..i prey i find it helps.often i prey in the middle of a meditation....i guess i get unhappy and want jesus to do it for me...which he has....these are only my personal thoughts.....i usually keep them to my self.
cheers

 

sorry bout the thesaurus.....sorry

 

MattB:

Beacuse we're the music makers?

tikoo:

Even if it could, why would it want to? It really only allows others to exist for themselves.


Maelstrom:

lol, why?! You're not religious...are you?! :-D

 

Paley's argument seems a bit antique after Dawkins' The Blind Watchmaker. Natural selection provides a plausible explanation for complexity at the biological level. Yet there is so much else that science can't yet explain. The fine tuning that has been called the great anthropic principle; the nature of dark matter that holds galaxies together; how life arose on earth or whether there is life on other planets in other solar systems; how consciousness arose, and why it evolved when its survival function seems to be obscure; how the brain remembers; quantum phenomena such as non-locality: why there is something rather than nothing; how there could be quantum laws to account for the random quantum fluctuation in a vacuum devoid of space and time to cause the Big Bang, etc. We can address these unknowns in one of three ways. We can say that just as scientists came up with natural selection as an explanation for Paley's watch analogy, science will come up with similar explanations of all these other phenomena. But let's call that what it is: Faith. Maybe science will explain it all. Maybe it won't. We can't really say for sure until it happens. Or we can say that God must be responsible--the "God of Gaps", (or of Chasms). There again, we're placing a bet. Or we can recognize that we just don't know and are only guessing. Whichever way we go will not be dictated by science alone, but also by our choices or bets. And we might be more humble in baleyhooing the triumphs of science or religion and ridiculing the efforts of ordinary folks to make sense of their reality in ways that work for them but not us.

 

you know in the realm of the very small. that is the subatomic realm the outcome of an experiment has allot to do with the observer of the experiment. for example here is a great article on the topic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics
Einstein said....
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/albert-einstein-god-religion-theology.htm
Einstien stated….The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity.
Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism.
i think this sums it up real well...unfortunately he was not socially correct as up to this point where we see the escalation of religious fundamentalism in all religions. this is extremely disappointing.
the thing is that there are always people walking the spiritual path...than theres religion....now i think religion is the biggest problem because this is how it works.
someone Jesus Budda Muhammad and many others have the experience.....than the people who they talk to put it down in words although Muhammad moses and allot of others wrote about it ..but thaan... general public get the words and try and reproduce the state of god consciousness by thinking about it.
god consciousness is definitely not about thought or intellect.
this is where we get into trouble.
god consciousness is easily accessed by simple meditation .its real easy free and besides its everyone’s nature and birth right to experience this .Endlessly effortlessly and constantly.
its just so simple and people wright PhDs and entire like 4 inch thick books on the topic.
but disregarding all the words ild take the short way home.....and its got nothing to do with what i think. yes please dont take me seriously on this one.
but really its so simple ..i cant believe how humans complicate things.
The essence of you is simple awareness a state without thought. This simple awareness is the key. Its actually connected to everything.
I love this illustration that tries to state this. A visual guide for the steps necessary to make the Jesuits' "general confession,"
My understanding of it is that the root of us all is the same..i could go on for ever. But in short I always loved god..always.
And you know if you pray or meditate the relative powers that be take note.
You don’t always get what you want…..no actually rarly.
Thanks for listening..i don’t think that really made sense..too early..i gotter go to work.
Cheers ink8290

 

You make some sense to me for sure, inkgal! But for instance:

I don't see this at all. Yes, there is some escalation but to say in all religions?? Isn't that a big difference.
Also I think spirituality is often a part of religion, sometimes it seems people think you have to be this or that and although there is a difference between spirituality and religion it can go together as well.

 

" Even if it could , why should it want to ? It really only allows others to exist for themselves ."


peace . when the relevant aspect of a shared reality is love all the rest
can be psychedelic . can peace be a dictated reality ? when the answer
is yes , genocide is allowed .

 

This is a really good post.