Do people still believe 911 wasnt a inside job?

I'm not sure if you have read the entire thread. If it is not too much bother I will answer any questions you have. Please don't take one or two posts as 'what I believe'. Only if you can be bothered that is.

 

Odon,

Whether you know it or not, you lost your credibility when, after seeing photos of the WTC core-structure, you judged it to be an insignificant factor. You did that because you realized that the core-structure stood in the way of your version of collapse making sense.

 

Ok.. judge away.. what do I think happened.. well lets see

9-11 was an inside job in order to for the Patriot Act to be forced on the American people because the American people would no stand for their 1st 2nd and 4th ammendments to be taken away without "Just Cause". That Just cause is what 9-11 was. You like getting groped at your Air ports? Do you think that would have happened Pre-9-11?

Osama bin Laden was a CIA operative under the name Tim Osman. He was on the US side while fighting against the Russians in the 80s for Afganistan. Look it up..

OBL died in 2002, not last year as Obama "Spiked the football" in may.. think I am lying.. go read it.. Google the news articles.. he was dying for years from Kidney Disease.

I could go on, but I don't want you to TL;DR this.

 

i think you will find that my perception is backed by proven science, common sense and intuition...

and odon's claim is simple but implies that each tower fell, due only to a plane hitting each of them... he says nothing of fire or explosives or of the bigger picture etc... well, not in that post anyway... that is why i asked if i missed some vital piece of evidence...

 

thedope,

The easiest thing in the world to do in discussions such as this is to jump in and offer your opinion. The next to the easiest thing to do is to offer your philosophy concerning the wisdom of offering opinions.

I love clarity . . .

 

I did not explain myself sufficiently enough. One throw away comment was not enough. If you don't agree with my subsequent posts to clarify my point - fair enough. You have said a few things that people (keith) have picked up on that you have not answered - such as the temp's in the video I posted. Were you right or wrong?

 

I do elsewhere in the thread. I don't mention the fires that much or at all - because people have been saying there was not any significant fires - based on a couple of testimonies and cropped images. I can't work with that : /

 

I won't say that. You can post as much as you like. I might not respond right now as I am tired, and it is getting a bit late. I will respond though, if that's ok.

 

I believe I asked you long ago how survivors--and the firefighters rescuing them--could have withstood the oven-like environment for about an hour on the seventy-eighth floor. I was making a point about the temperature of the steel columns that you believed were being heated to the point of failing. Why do you believe that the heat required to do that to steel was somehow not enough to destroy humans?

 

OBL was a member of the mujahadeen.

Carter and Brzezinski started a $3–4 billion covert program of training insurgents in Pakistan and Afghanistan as a part of the efforts to foil the Soviets' apparent plans. Carter's diplomatic policies towards Pakistan in particular changed drastically. The administration had cut off financial aid to the country in early 1979 when religious fundamentalists, encouraged by the prevailing Islamist military dictatorship over Pakistan, burnt down a U.S. Embassy based there. The international stake in Pakistan, however, had greatly increased with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The President of Pakistan, General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, was offered 400 million dollars to subsidize the anti-communist mujahideen in Afghanistan by Carter. General Zia declined the offer as insufficient, famously declaring it to be "peanuts," and the U.S. was forced to step up aid to Pakistan.
Reagan would later expand this program greatly to combat Cold War concerns presented by the Soviet Union at the time. Critics of this policy blame Carter and Reagan for the resulting instability of post-Soviet Afghan governments, which led to the rise of Islamic theocracy in the region.
Years later, in a 1997 CNN/National Security Archive interview, Brzezinski detailed the strategy taken by the Carter administration against the Soviets in 1979.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet...gn_involvement_and_U.S._aid_to_the_mujahideen

The C.I.A certainly did not train him in particular or train him to kill US citizens.

 

I think I said at that time the 81st and above floors were more important than the 78th. I think I said the 78th floor could have had less fires or no fires - that does not mean the floors above were not on fire. I think you claimed that the entire building had to be at a high temp' - or atleast the entire central column.

 

mujahadeen was CIA funded which OBL was their contact.

 

In part, true.

Not true. Evidence, please.

 

I said that the rest of the building, being at a cool temperature, would have offered all kinds of resistance to collapse of the upper part of the tower.

 

Ok, could you repost that point?

 

You don't recall me making the point that the collapse of the core-structure was bullshit because steel doesn't crumble?

 

Look it up.. the info is out there.. best bet is the BBC news archives... yeah the same idiots that said Building 7 had already fallen 25 mins before it had.. if that doesn't scream conspiracy, I don't know what does.

 

Remember holding the position that the core-structure was insignificant as a building support?

 

I do remember that. I thought that was based on the assumption the entire core-structure had to be at a certain temp'. Not taking into account it all didn't have to be.

...I'm looking.

 

I've posted other thoughts since that.