God does not exist

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  1. thedope

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    My sentiments exactly.
     
  2. Dejavu

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    I object to your terms because you're not objectionable. :)


    Why teach that measuring good is not something we're good at? Is it because you can't teach being good? Measuring our goodness does not have us fall short of it, only the idea we may not be up to the task.

    It is only a misperception that knowledge is not perception, that it is not ongoing, that it is complete in itself and is only ever led to. Like your god who, in existing, must be very much alone for all the 'company' you're providing. But god is everything you say? Then show it! You should be able to if it is true, everything being everything as it is. lol

    It was your misperception.

    Nothing. So what is absent from knowledge as perception? Only its completion in itself, but then, that was never present to begin with. lol

    Isn't that what you're always trying to do?
     
  3. thedope

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    Yes, love is beyond what can be taught but it is not beyond sharing. No one can teach you to be you. So, we cannot moderate behavior to achieve fundamental results and it is brutal to try, because behavior naturally arises from premise. We are always in pursuit of our good, or grateful to share it.
    Is knowledge not knowledge? My perception was not.
     
  4. Dejavu

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    No, not being able to teach goodness is no reason to teach we are not good to measure. What is the measure of goodness after all that you would teach it may not be reached?

    You see? I do hear. And I do not object to all your terms, one of them being life. :)

    Of course it is. Your knowledge continued and continues to be your perception. That is was not, is because it now is.
     
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    It is inherent. Goodness is invaluable.
     
  6. Dejavu

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    Ah, only life is invaluable. Goodness is only ever a value.

    There's yer problem jack! :-D The body is a pleasure, not a mere utility towards that end, and certainly not a machine! Please don't tell me your god is on life support in some forgotten ward of remembrance. lol
     
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    Life is not good?

    Complete with internal combustion engine.
     
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    Replacement parts become more accessible as industry gears up.
     
  9. Dejavu

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    LOL Of course it is, but only in valuing it so! Or is it safer for you not to value in case you are valued? Put it in terms of appreciation if you have to. Sky's the limit.

    :-D I've never heard you refer to the mind in such a way before, you should take it back in case you hurt its feelings.

    That's just a commercial.
     
  10. thedope

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    To infinity and beyond.
    As we belch green house gases. Will we ever get beyond burning things, the discovery of fire?
    My first paying job was as a promotion specialist.
     
  11. MeAgain

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    I don't know Okie, you seem to be waffling between two states. It seems to me that statements like
    are an attempt to have your cake and eat it too.

    As far as mainline Protestants, it seems there are a wide variety of those folks, and again their religion is based on the bible which they interpret as they see fit, keeping what they want and discarding what doesn't agree with what they think.

    Anyway, thanks for staying on topic.
     
  12. xybersufer

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    you are taking my words far too literally. i don't claim that non-existence can be proven (i already know this is not possible).
     
  13. thedope

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    I am taking you as I can. So then, where do you come down on the statement god does not exist? Do you think non-existence is not possible or do you or do you just think it exists but it is impossible to prove?

    By taking your words too literally do you mean I should try to guess what you mean instead?
     
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    What is the problem with an honest report of perception? We are spirit, the impulse toward good, reaching toward good in all things. Yow latch on to what is a troubling aspect of the faith that you imagine, and accuse others of a type of hypocrisy when they don't embrace that aspect that you find troubling.

    What is more likely, everyone fails at their faith, or you are misinformed about it?

    I agree in every way that a faith that refuses instruction in the face of real things apprehends nothing. I find okiefreak's measure of faith to be more wholesome than many.
     
  15. xybersufer

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    no. my interpretation of non-existence is: not being able to find evidence supporting existence. i don't feel the need to repeat this every-time. this is generally what people mean when they say something does not exist.

    on the other hand, the "god" does not exist statement: i find that "god" has an ambiguous definition. so it might not even make sense to consider whether "it" exists
     
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    god's existence has been presented as a social trouble and
    god's non-existence is not . i think we could agree that non-
    existence is no worry , no trouble .

    god's existence is no trouble to me . hummm ...i do find it odd ,
    and curious , and wonderous . altogether i guess that's just a
    puzzle and a casual one at that . i'm not much troubled about
    a god , and One who doesn't really keep me very busy with
    special duties - spirit actions .


    social intelligence is the problem .

    intelligence = spirit

    music helps the trouble . this weekend my spirit action was
    music , very sociable music . i'm free from that now . all i
    want to do is fix up the old ozark banjo i had found hangin'
    in an oak tree and it take it courtin' the sweet banjo gal who
    touched
    me in the spiraling whirl .

    got that galactic feeling ...
     
  17. MeAgain

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    Dope,

    I have no idea what you are talking about. All I said was that it seems to me that Okie is making two contradictory statements. I didn't mean to imply a value judgement.
     
  18. thedope

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    So non-existence is synonymous with personal incapacity?

    I personally think communication can be better.

    I find this a reasonable assessment. God is necessarily an abstract association as belief, or even simple communication, is an activity of mind which is naturally abstract.
     
  19. thedope

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    I was commenting on the idea that such a position is like having your cake and eating too. Contradictory means he speaks against himself or inconsistently represents his position.

    I mean to say, his speaking is only inconsistent with your idea of what faith should be or what measure of god a faith should represent. So it is not the measure of his faith that is in-congruent but your apprehension of the subject that is not complete. Maybe that is why you ask the question, to fill in a lack of understanding, and I don't mean to accuse and I don't mean to detract from your question to okiefreak.
     
  20. xybersufer

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    personal? well, it is ultimately up to the individual to make determinations
     
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