2C-E or 2C-T-7

Sup guys

Which do you prefer, 2ce or 2ct7?

I've tried 2ce a few times and it was pretty enjoyable experience on the whole. It wasn't very taxing on the body (after the initial god awful come up) and it never felt dark or out of place (at least for me). I've been wanting to try T7 for a long time and I was wondering how it compares to 2ce. Is the come up as bad? How taxing is the body load? What other things are there to expect?

 

I tried 2ct7 once at 50 mgs. Unlike 2ce, many report 2ct7 to be fairly bland and weak within the 20 mgs range, one of the main reasons I chose the dose I did.

Comparing the two, I find 2ct7 easier on the body but it makes me more nauseous than 2ce, like 2ct7 made me feel pretty lightheaded. The comeup on 2ct7 is very gentle and it took nearly 2 hours to feel anything so be patient. I never found 2ce particularly dark either but I'd say 2ct7 is a happier trip with more accessible euphoria and more flashy. The duration of 2ct7 is a few hours longer than 2ce, I felt a definite crash the following day from 2ct7 and was scatter brained so I'd reccomend having a responsibility free day after. I had a similar sort of crash from 2ce at 52 mgs but not as pronounced. The 2ct7 trip has a more loopy build and decrease, build and decrease type presentation where I find 2ce remains pretty much full on once you reach peak.

I like both trips, I prefer 2ce at doses within the 20-30 mgs range and 2ct7 produced a trip at 50 mgs where I wouldn't want to dose lower if I were to do it again. They are both the most visually impressive 2cx trips I've explored but I wouldn't reccommend going into your 2ct7 trip with a mindset set on comparing what it is or isnt doing better than 2ce.

 

I only tried 2c-e but would now definitely go for 2c-t-7. It was first RC I tried if you don't count 2c-b as RC. I chose 2c-e cuz it seemed safer and lighter on the body than 2c-t-7. But I found almost all psychedelic RCs I tried since than better than 2c-e. Even BDF and TMA-2 that some people found unimpressive or unpleasant. And of-course I liked all tryptamines more than 2c-e.

 

so GB, did you find 50 mg 2ct7 to be similar in intensity to ~20 mg 2ce?

 

2ct7 and all the 2ct's i never got to try . I did very much enjoy my times with 2c-B/C/E/I/P.

 

I found 50 mgs 2ct7 more intense than 20 mgs 2ce. On the rising, building parts of the 2ct7 peak, the visuals are pretty unrelenting and I attempted to go for a walk on it but I was having enough difficulty seeing through the visuals and making out my surroundings that I decided to not walk very far, nausea also played into this decision. Also both the 2ctx chemicals that I have tried have an element of detachment bordering on disassociation at certain points which I have not experienced on 2ce at all really but definitely not at 20 mgs.

But as I said 2ct7 is very loopy with the building and dropping of the effects and there would be moments every few hours where it would let up significantly which felt probably lighter than 20 mgs 2ce.

 

ok. i know it's really hard to compare like this, but would you compare 50 mg 2ct7 to ANY dose of 2ce? just intensity wise.

since you said you wouldn't take less than 50 mg -t7, i'm just wondering if you thought it was a light trip. but you pretty much answered that. and i'll probably never try 2ct7, i'm just curious

 

I found both 25 mgs (with weed) and 52 mgs 2ce roughly comparable to 50 mgs 2ct7 in terms of intensity but each trip has qualities that make it unique and a different feel to it which makes a direct dose comparison difficult, Also lets not forget to account for set and setting.

In my initial response, I gave the reasons I felt I wouldn't want to dose less than 50 mgs 2ct7 but I guess I didn't really explain it thoroughly . (This thought happened during the trip btw, I could probably stand to dose 40 mgs or something) So 2ct7 had more accessible euphoria and positive feeling to it where 2ce is often more neutral. The flashy quality of the 2ct7 trip was also interesting (ironically at times it was an aspect I didn't really care for on the trip) and another reason I wouldn't want to dose lower is the duration of the trip. The 2ct7 trip lasted a full 12 hours without really letting up all that much, the duration felt longer than 2cp even so if I'm going to be in a trip for that long I usually want to take a sufficient dose.

 

2c-t-7 was awesome, probably my favorite one out of e,i,p,b,c. I found 50 to 60mg was my sweet spot for dosing. I once snorted 15mg and was barely able to handle it. Like total sensory overload. Never had that problem when eating it. For me it was more visual and whimsical and less of a body load and mindfuck than 2c-e. For me I would say a 20mg dose of 2c-e was comperable in intensity to a 40mg dose of 2c-t-7 with less of the negative effects of 2c-e. I hope to come across a source for it again some day.

 

Also my trips on 2c-t7 never lasted more than 7 hours or so. Only on 2c-p did my trips last between 8-10 hours

 

Your 2ct7 trips only lasted 7 hours or less? That's strange, in Pikhal Shulgin lists 8 hours as the low end duration for 2ct7 and that's on doses much lower than 40-50 mgs.

 

I'm not sure why. Maybe my body metabolizes those chemicals faster. All of the 2c's main effects lasted me about 5 hours with residual effects another 2 hours or so. Except 2c-p which lasted like 8-10 hours and 2c-c which lasted like 4-6 hours. That's when I ate them anyways. Snorting those chems usually cut the trip by like half the time. 2c-c was the only one I never snorted though

 

Yah that duration for 2cp is shorter than many report as well but that's about roughly the duration for me with it. For 2ct7, I knew the trip was getting lengthy when I dosed it in the morning, envolped in the trip all day than had like a sudden epiphany moment of 'Holy Shit, It's dark outside' Pretty strange sensation.

 

Between those two I'd probably pick T7 though it has quite a body load, and is not too safe to mix with other things. however it is extremely beautiful.

 

Oral doses of 2C-T-7 in the 50-60mg range are exceptionally high. The majority of people that have significant experience with this gorgeous compound find the 30-40mg range to be quite sufficient (and roughly comparable in "intensity" to 25-30mg of 2C-E). Another thing to keep in mind is that this material has a rather unpredictable dose-response relationship; many individuals can reach +++ levels of intoxication with 25mg or less. Therefore, one should be particularly careful with oral ingestion of 2C-T-7. Lastly, never insufflate and/or mix it, as the risks are very real and severe.

As for me, my preferred dose is 30mg (although I've ingested more a few times), and these experiments always last ~12 hours.

Generally speaking:

2C-E = Cerebral

2C-T-7 = Voluptuous

 

Indeed T7 has strange dosings for different bodies . . . I felt zero effects from 25mgs, and 35mgs was a SOLID trip, equivalent to ~30mg 2ce

 

did you ever take ~50 mg 2ct7, writer?

and do you find that 2ce has a body load as well, just not as pronounced as -t7?

 

The 2c(x) chemicals are so beautiful .It was a sad day to see them banned.

 

I never did take that dose, I still plan to some day. 2ce definitely has a pronounced body load as well, but its typical phenethylamine tremors, nausea, maybe headache, febrile changes. With T7 add uncontrollable diarrhea

 

For me, 50mg of oral 2C-T-7 would be an unnecessarily high dose. I have tried 40mg and 35mg, however. 40mg is borderline "too much", while 35mg is very fine. In spite of that, I prefer 30mg because the OEV's at 35mg are so intense that they literally blind me throughout the peak and early plateau phases of the experience. That's not to say that 30mg is not visual enough for me; even at this dosage, this compound is the most outrageously visual psychedelic this side of DMT. Regarding body load, I've never had gastrointestinal issues with it (or with any other synthetic psychedelic, for that matter). China has a remarkable ability to turn a person's entrails to steel. I'm lucky.