Hello, My buddy just recently got a sheet of 25-I. Apparently its a huge hit as a new RC. I have read an online article saying that a 23 year old man died from taking one drop through the nose. I was very skeptical about this drug and decided to read some erowid experiences. I saw many good trip reports but the bad trip reports sounded terrifying (like with all psychedelics). Some said they had trouble communicating with friends, some became very paranoid, and some could not even speak words. This makes me very cautious to try some but my buddy says this shit is very good and clean. I wanted to know you guy's experiences with it.
I tried it once at 1.5 mgs complexed Blotter and I had a pretty chill, interesting experience. A light glow that permeated the experience and a fairly clear head with visuals that felt somewhat akin to LSD but with a more 'artificial' feeling to them. My 2nd dose was on 2 mgs complexed Blotter and it was anything but chill. This is a TR I wrote for it... http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=443582&f=126
Quite honestly, the fact that someone died has just about nothing to do with some "bad trips" on erowid. I've been unable to communicate on pot, I've thrown up on pot..... and on caffeine. I've had a great time on DXM (a somewhat dangerous drug) and a great time on oxycontin (a drug that leads many people to heroin). So..... I don't think being unable to communicate, or having stardard symptoms of a standard psychedelic freakout, is what would worry me about a chemical. These chems are interesting and have some aspects that warrant caution, but the fact that someone died, plus the fact that somebody took a psychedelic drug and had a tough trip, is just meh.
ya, its my new thing to say when whipping out the 25's.. "time to die".. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOW4QiOD-oc"]Blade Runner - time to die - YouTube
I took 5 mg a combo of oral and nasal in a night before and had no body load or side effects other then being high all night. Although I have not really found any reports of others dosing this high. I would recommend starting out with much less. My source was having some issues when I ordered, so I am wondering if my sample was as pure as it could have been. This stuff is no LSD but it was a unique trip IMO.
i agree with this. not being able to communicate, and being paranoid are pretty standard effects of a "bad trip." however, it DOES worry me a bit that someone has died on it. but to be fair, people have died on alcohol and aspirin as well. this guy was apparently drunk when offered the 25i. i only tried this stuff once (1.5 mg each of 25i and 25c) and it was a pretty easygoing trip, but i had some slight body complaints. the fact that it is so new worries me, so i can't quite separate mental effects vs. TRUE physical ones. seizures from 25i are also more worrisome than having a bad trip, IMO.
Ive done up to 6mg in one night, I believe from my experiences it's pretty safe unless its not measured correctly. Nasal is supposed to have stronger effects than buccal/sublingual. Although everyone reacts differently to different substances. I have not had any bad complications on 25i or 25c yet. Try to find out the dose on your buddies sheet before trying it.
^ Regarding complications. I measured by blood pressure on just 1.2mg (a pretty standard dose) of 25C, and it was up to 140/105 from my normal 120/70 or lower. That's higher than it got after binging for 4 days straight on an array of stimulants all at high doses. The vasoconstriction and resulting elevated BP the NBOMes produce means they don't have the same safety profile as traditional psychedelics. Treat them more like other highly vasoconstricting compounds like Bromo-DragonFLY - i.e. "heroic doses" aren't a good idea and could put your life at risk, so stick to regular doses. That said, with 25I it seems you can push the dose a little higher, and a lot of people have taken 2-3mg without problems. You really need to work your way up though since everyone reacts differently and some people have had problems at lower doses. Also, imo if you aren't sticking to regular doses, avoid other ROAs like nasal/vape/IV, since it's far easier to do too much and end up in hospital. I wouldn't be scared of taking a regular dose though, unless you have very high BP already or decide to combine it with other vasoconstricting drugs. What's the dosage on the hits? 0.5mg seems to be a good first time dose with 25I (buccally or sublingually) - just remember to hold the hits in your mouth for 40-60+ minutes, not 10-15 like acid, since as this is not at all orally active, swallowing it before it's been completely absorbed is a big waste. You'll still trip from holding it in your mouth for just 15 minutes, but IME holding it for an hour is at least twice as strong. If you're looking for a stronger experience try 1-1.25mg
no matter how over stimulated my visuals get.,, there is just no mind fuck with 25's. Ive seen shit just melt away into oblivion, and really if I was on lucy and that shit was going on, Id be interacting with it.. no such interaction with 25's. just scattered visuals..
^ Probably one of the reasons people overdose on these. With the 1.2mg of 25C that I mentioned taking in my above post, the visuals were awesome, but my head felt so clear it felt like I was sober and the visuals were just HPPD or something. As a result, had I not measured my BP and realised how high it was, I'd have certainly gone and taken 2mg+ next time. 25I was a little better in that area, it was clear I was on a drug and there was some form of a head high but it was more like a clearer version of 2C-E's analytical side, so still lacking in the mindfuck department for people expecting something like tryptamines etc.
I notice no increased heart rate ,, Ive taken a shit load of I/C. my problem with it comes from thermoregulation , Im either to hot or to cold and cant get comfortable.. there is a feeling of heavy heart , but its not that bothersome for me. Ive found the same heart wave feeling from Cacti, its more a warm sensation .. cant put my finger on it, a few others described it ..
^ It's interesting because I noticed the same. My blood pressure was higher than stimulant binges got it - but my heart rate was barely above normal. My normal resting heart rate is around 55-60 and I think the highest it got during my trip was 70-75 or so. Usually I'm used to both going up together, but I think the rise in blood pressure caused by the NBOMes doesn't happen in the same manner as with stimulants where your heart rate rises so much that your blood pressure rises as a result, but rather in this case I think it's completely due to the vasoconstriction (which explains the temperature issues too). I wonder if having a beer or two with these would reduce the vasoconstriction enough to allow safely pushing the dosage a little higher. I mean, I know a lot of people hate drinking with psychedelics, but in my experience it's only an issue when you're looking for mindfuck as drinking seems to negate that... with these that's not there to begin with though so I can't see it ruining anything. I've never found drinking to reduce the visuals etc unless I drink enough to pass out.
i think 25i is great, i find it pretty similar to acid though not as good. it definetly gets to ego loss and feelings of oneness like acid. the visuals are cool though less detailed than lsd. i think people get bad complications when they mess with the powder form. my freind gets the powder, dissolves it in water and makes it into tabs. rail a line of that stuff and youll probably be in the hospital.
^ Or when they treat it like something safe like LSD and assume it's okay to eat a handful of hits - this is particularly a problem as the hits tend to be laid pretty strong, like 1mg+ which is more akin in potency to taking 2-3 hits of most acid these days. Now when you realise that you only have to stray a little over the normal dose range for the vasoconstriction and resultant high blood pressure to be severe, you can see why eating just eating 1 or 2 extra hits could be really bad.
