Dear Liberals/Libertarians herein..

Discussion in 'Politics' started by StpLSD25, Nov 8, 2012.

  1. calgirl

    calgirl Senior Member

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    The middle class has no money to spend because it is all diverted to the high costs of the basics. Basics are costly because business urgency now is simply to stay IN business. These practices are a result of an unfriendly government. Raising the minimum wage to $20 per hour for an entry level job won't make these practices go away.
     
  2. calgirl

    calgirl Senior Member

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    Is this really necessary?
     
  3. sunfighter

    sunfighter Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    The 1% don't seem to feel this pain of "our money's worth a lot less".
     
  4. calgirl

    calgirl Senior Member

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    O crap.....how can I be expected to stay engaged in any of this?
     
  5. SapphireNeptune

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    We also make substantially more. The whole OUR MONEY IS WORTH LESS line is all fine and good when you leave out the fact that the average wage in the nation in say 1978 was circa $10,500 which is substantially less than a full time job at minimum wage would pay now.
     
  6. StpLSD25

    StpLSD25 Senior Member

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    This is a little pretentious honestly. Government scientists talk about "global warming" and "Climate change" esp that it is a product of mankind. But MANY scientists dispute it as there is evidence that the earth is on a natural cycle we've yet to understand.
     
  7. sunfighter

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    Well, have you ever asked yourself why you don't believe in the science of climate change? Who do you listen to? Who don't you listen to? Why are you not trying to find the truth? You do know that almost every independent scientist in the world now believes that human activity is a cause of global warming, right?
     
  8. StpLSD25

    StpLSD25 Senior Member

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    Oh yeah just 7 years of being off the gold standard, when people still had faith in the dollar. Terrific example!!!
     
  9. SapphireNeptune

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    Bro, you did nothing to refute the point. Also inflation was near 6% in 1970 before Brenton Woods ended.
     
  10. calgirl

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    Every independent sicentist. Impressive. So if humans were inactive, we wouldn't have global warming. Ok I'll stand in place, try not to breathe or have a bowel movement.

    S. Fred Singer is a distinguished astrophysicist who has taken a hard, scientific look at the evidence. In this book, Dr. Singer explores the inaccuracies in historical climate data, the limitations of attempting to model climate on computers, solar variability and its impact on climate, the effects of clouds, ocean currents, and sea levels on global climate, and factors that could mitigate any human impacts on world climate.

    Singer’s masterful analysis decisively shows that the pessimistic, and often alarming, global warming scenarios depicted in the media have no scientific basis. In fact, he finds that many aspects of any global warming, such as a longer growing season for food and a reduced need to use fossil fuels for heating, would actually have a positive impact on the human race. Further, Singer notes how many proposed “solutions” to the global warming “crisis” (like “carbon” taxes) would have severe consequences for economically disadvantaged groups and nations.

    Hot Talk, Cold Science is essential reading for anyone who wants to be fully informed about the global warming debate.
     
  11. StpLSD25

    StpLSD25 Senior Member

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    I don't see how you're ignoring my logic. Precious Metals are more valuable than commodities and bad debt, purchased by the federal reserve.
     
  12. SapphireNeptune

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    Not every scientist will ever agree on anything. There are some with PhDs who do not believe in evolution. The fact remains though the vast majority think global warming is happening and at the least is being accelerated greatly by human releases into the atmosphere. I mean if 9 out of 10 doctors told you you have cancer and need to start immediate treatment and one said you didn't, what are you going to do? Every year the evidence becomes more and more overwhelming. Just last year, professor Richard Muller, one of the nation's most respect physicists who has always been a bit skeptical over global warming received grant money to get a bunch of other top researchers from various fields to study it. This was a study funded by...........The Koch brothers, headed by a man who went into as skeptical. The end result? Global warming is being massively accelerated by human activity.
     
  13. rjhangover

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    Okay, that's cool. I rather hear from you, when you have a clear head.
     
  14. SapphireNeptune

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    Yeah, they rose because they were no longer tied to money and were able to free float like normal commodities. You also leave out in the 1980's when the price of both gold and silver collapsed. There is no logic in your logic because you're moving goal posts, you've completely left your original point that our money is worth less to try to make the point if we were on silver or gold it'd be worth more, yet silver and gold only rose because of the fact they were no longer connected to the monetary supply. Not to mention the other point of inflation eating away at the dollar's value when in fact inflation had been running high before the end of Brenton Woods
     
  15. StpLSD25

    StpLSD25 Senior Member

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    Gold and silver has always been used as a currency since the Roman era and earlier! Gold is REAL value!! it is needed in computer chips and other type of technology. Gold is worth more than your paper fiat money any day!!! If your insinuating that the federal reserve's paper money is more valuable than gold, then I've no need to discuss this further.
     
  16. calgirl

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    I would be VERY interested in that ONE opinion about my cancer treatment. Because he is challenging an easy version of interpretation. He is not captive to popular opinion. Or a prisoner of economical gain.
     
  17. rjhangover

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    Lighten up, eat a prune, you'll think better.

    [quoteThe middle class has no money to spend because it is all diverted to the high costs of the basics. Basics are costly because business urgency now is simply to stay IN business. These practices are a result of an unfriendly government. Raising the minimum wage to $20 per hour for an entry level job won't make these practices go away. ][/quote]

    The reason everything is so expensive is the greed of the big oil industry. in 2005 a barrel of oil went to $150.00, and gas went to $4.00 a gallon. Now oil is only $85.00 a barrel, and gas is still $4.00 a gallon. The high price of fuel makes it more expensive to ship products, so business must charge more. Government doesn't set the price of oil, the oil industry and oil speculators on Wall Street do.

    Another reason for high costs is CORPORATE PROFITS, they are through the roof! And CEO salaries are up 600% in the last ten years. Capitalism is all about greed.

    Here's another one for you. The American farmer is forced to pay $6.00 an hour for crop pickers, because immigration laws have got rid of the migrant workers from Mexico that used to do the job for $2.00 an hour. At the same time CORPORATE grocery stores, like WallMart, Safeway, Giant, Food Lion and the rest buy most of their produce and meat from South America because the farmers down there pay their crop pickers and ranch hands less than a dollar an hour, so they cans sell their food for less than half of what the American farmer does. Next time you go to the grocery store, check and see where your food is coming from.

    That's also why our trade debt has been $50 billion per month for the last 30 years. That cheap Chinese crap is destroying our economy.
     
  18. calgirl

    calgirl Senior Member

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    I'm ok. I'll just read your posts and get diarrhea.
     
  19. sunfighter

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    Well, maybe I should look more at what he has to say, but did you know that he is not independent; that he has taken a lot of money from ExxonMobil and that previously, he wrote papers supposedly disproving that secondhand tobacco smoke is a human carcinogen. He was certainly wrong about that important issue.
     
  20. calgirl

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    I'm still reeling about the notion that we know what EVERY INDEPEDENT scientist in the world thinks.
     

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