Study: More Than Half a Trillion Dollars Spent on Welfare But Poverty Levels Unaffect

Discussion in 'Politics' started by YoMama, Jul 7, 2012.

  1. shameless_heifer

    shameless_heifer Super Moderator

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    When you get paid in cash, there is no trail and you can get food stamps and work too. I see it everyday.. where the heck do you live inna cave
     
  2. SapphireNeptune

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    Except most illegal immigrants work under fake SS numbers and are in fact boosting federal revenue because they are in fact not eligible for benefits.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05immigration.html
    And I actually live in a sanctuary city and am friends with more than one of these so called illegal immigrants.
     
  3. shameless_heifer

    shameless_heifer Super Moderator

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    We'll see how long you are 'friends' when the shit hits the fan.. you think they're your friends huh.. poor you..
     
  4. SapphireNeptune

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    lmao what the fuck does this even mean.
     
  5. outthere2

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    But what if we look at it from a broader perspective?

    Illegal immigrants are working for american businesses. So shouldn't at least some of that anger be directed at those american businesses directly profiteering from the misfortune of others?
     
  6. outthere2

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    What kind of person (or business) capitalizes from the misfortune of others?
     
  7. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    That has to be a rhetorical question--right?
     
  8. outthere2

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    I guess you could say that. The way I understand it is that what is a rhetorical question for one person might not be for another.

    For instance someone might be of the view that profit comes before people so the greatest good is when profit is made. The question wouldn't be so rhetorical for that person. (Or maybe it would but in a different way).
     
  9. shameless_heifer

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    I am fully aware where the problem begins.. where it"s always begun, with greedy corporations.

    I do not have a problem with hispanic's , if they go through the proper channels and are here legally. I don't like the ones that bogart their way into our country and treat us like crap.

    My Mother was from downunder and came to America as a war bride. She had to go through naturalization to become a CITIZEN she worked very hard and took and oath of loyalty to our country. She was proud to be an American.

    If my mamma had to do it so should the hispanics. I have nieces and nephews that are 1/2 hispanic, but their Father was born here and his parents were here legally. I love my nieces and nephews. I am not a hater, I love my country, not necessarily the politics but our beautiful country.

    I dont want our country to be like Mexico, with it's garbage and rotten politicos. I understand they have problems in their country but I feel they should stay there and correct ithem, change what is wrong. Not sneak over here like a thief in the night. They made their mess and it's up to them to clean it up and not abandon it like yesterdays newspapers and come here to ruin our country like they did theirs.
     
  10. shameless_heifer

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    It means, if there is a threat from Mexico and the hispanics decided to push it and they had all the hispanics gathered together to do it. You would be on the outside unless you were hispanic also. You think they are your friends now, but we will see if you really are when the shit hits the fan,

    Dont fool yourself boy, you'd be going down with the rest of us.
     
  11. LetLovinTakeHold

    LetLovinTakeHold Cuz it will if you let it

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    Are you predicting a war with Mexico? Lulz
     
  12. outthere2

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    So the capitalists want their labor and they want it on the cheap.

    Do you think the greedy corporations would prefer their labor even cheaper, as in, slave labor? Or do you think the greedy corporations wouldn't stoop that low?
     
  13. SapphireNeptune

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    So basically, as I assumed, you're just a racist. Good job propping up the Texas stereotype.
     
  14. shameless_heifer

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    Bye bye Sapphire. You are a TROLL and ass-ume way to much
     
  15. shameless_heifer

    shameless_heifer Super Moderator

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    FYI

    As to me being a racist: I am married to an Native American N D N. I have three hispanic nieces and nephews. My daughter was half Portuguese, yet you call me a racist.

    Your ignorance is astounding
     
  16. shameless_heifer

    shameless_heifer Super Moderator

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    Now back to the TOPIC

    Welfare does not bring you out of poverty and was not set up to do so. so the topic is moot.

    I was a welfare recipient for many yrs. My Daughter was born with CF. I had to stay home and care for her. All welfare did was keep us down. I did go back to school for my associates degree in alternative health care. When I married I had someone to care for Amy while I was at school.

    I didnt see any hispanics there either trying to better themselves and have more opportunities. I did see them working as gardeners, janitors and kitchen help and no they did not speak English. They did not want to learn english either. They dont want us to know what they are saying. It's a game for them.

    It's not just Texas corporations, it's nation wide. They outsource our jobs and what is left they give to illegals while the illegals collect food stamps and medicade and send their money back to Mexico. That is FACT and not being racist.
     
  17. outthere2

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    The attention span of the average US American is about three sentences so I try to get to the point quickly.

    Balbus has done a good job of refuting the arguments at length presented by those in support of the report and some have responded that they're not going to read through lengthy answers. I'm not interested in spending time giving lengthy answers that go unread.

    IMO, either approach is valid; source credibility is no less important than the content of the report.

    56oldog:
    Is it your practice to not consider the source when trying to understand complex issues?
     
  18. Individual

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    According to Tom Vilsack, who after ending his campaign as the Democrat candidate for the Presidency in 2008, giving his support for Hillary Clinton, and then later being appointed to his current position as U.S. Secretary of Agriculture by Barack Obama, the number of LEGALLY residing non-citizens benefitting from the SNAP program, has risen from 425,000 in 2001 to roughly 1.63 million today, which is more than double what it was in 2008.

    Vilsack also claims that illegal immigrants are not eligible for food stamps, there is no attempt to bolster the program's roles and people are not pressured to enroll.

    The participation in SNAP, summer 2012 reached a record high of 46.7 million.

    The CBO claims that the average cost per person for SNAP, not including administrative costs, was about $4.30 per person or $200.8 million per day, administrative costs being about $11 million per day. That works out to a little over $73 billion per year in benefits plus another $4 billion in administrative costs

    Many conflicting figures abound, but if you can't believe a Democrat run agency, appointed by Obama, who can you believe?

    That's only one of how many entitlement programs which I recently saw numbered to be 83 in total, not including social security, medicare, veterans benefits, or State funding, which were claimed to have provided a total of $1.03 trillion cost to the Federal government over the past year.
     
  19. Individual

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    The OP presents as fact that:

    1. Welfare spending has exceeded more than $500,000,000,000 in a year, not over the lifetime of welfare spending. Fiction? Refuted?

    AND

    2. Poverty levels have been unaffected. Fiction? Refuted?
     
  20. outthere2

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    Your racist post is an example of what wealth does: it stirs up base human instincts (like distrust of people who are different) and causes division. A divided house is easily torn down.
     

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