Papa John Is Mad About Obama Care

I see a lot of comments mentioning you can go to the ER if you are sick, which you can, However this is not healthcare, this is emergency treatment.

Health care includes preventative care. Preventative care includes nutritional counseling that could combat the obesity epidemic.

You mention 1 in 6 kids going to bed hungry at night, and then ask how have we survived thus far? Do you think poor childhood nutrition contributes to obesity?

http://timesleader.com/stories/Obesity-among-poor-children-tied-to-diet,96827

How have we survived thus far?

Americans life expectancy ranks 29th in the world, behind Slovenia.
Our infant mortality rate is 30th, more than twice that of Sweden and Japan. And for this shitty care we pay more than any other nation in the world. Almost one out of every five dollars in America is spent on healthcare.


What happens when you have to go to the emergency room for health care?
Via CNN World:


New Jersey’s Camden Coalition of Healthcare Providers founder and family medicine practitioner, Jeffrey Brenner, used medical billing records to find that just 1% of patients accounted for 30% of health care costs in Camden. And that's not all he discovered in the city's three hospitals. He says: "We learned that someone went 113 times in one year. Someone went 324 times in five years. In similar workup in Trenton, they found someone who went 450 times in one year." These were people with complicated medical histories and chronic illnesses. One patient alone racked up $3.5 million in medical bills over a five year period. As Brenner says, :"They're the difficult patients to treat, and no one is being paid and incentivized to pay attention to them."
What's more, Camden's problem is America's problem. Just 5% of Americans accounted for half of our nation's health care costs in 2009. This is perhaps the crucial statistic to understand about America's health care problem.

 

You continue to misunderstand what I wrote. Your words imply a threat which I present as producing a need for those who your words pose a threat to be prepared should your words become an action. Would I seek you out to kill you? Of course not, but having been warned by you and others like minded that you lack any respect for the property of those you feel have more than you might feel they deserve, and that you feel entitled to acquire by force if necessary what you feel entitled to, should make others to think seriously about being capable of protecting themselves should you put your words in action. Therefore, as long as your words remain spoken only, I and others should see you as no immediate threat, however should you act on your words, that would be something entirely different. And note, I fully support your freedom of speech, no matter what you say that I might disagree with. Knowing who your enemies are or might be allows one to be much better prepared to take them on should it become necessary. So as long as you and I do no more than exercise our 1st amendment right, the exercise of our 2nd amendment right remains harmless as it relates to the maintenance of security, not unnecessarily harming anyone. I've always exercised my 2nd amendment rights and never killed anyone in peacetime.

The CEO may not be performing 500 time the labor of his/her workers, but is making jobs and wages available to a large number of persons. In the case of the chef, if wages are unacceptable, he/she can always find work elsewhere or open his/her own restaurant taking on the responsibilities performed by the owners of his/her previous employment. Few people are so motivated to take on the risks and responsibilites and prefer to work for those who are.

Wow, all those nice luxuries, a 22 car garage with a limo turntable, and I bet the list goes on and on. Did all that appear magically? Or maybe some or perhaps even many people were employed to produce it? Suppose all the wealthy people lived just the same as the poorest, and simply put their money in the bank, how many jobs would quickly disappear? The wealthy spend their money and much more extravagantly than most of society, which in my opinion provides us all an opportunity to take some of their wealth away from them, and in my opinion that's a primary source of middle class mobility in the U.S. Although most of my life I earned a decent and acceptable wage or salary, I also picked up some additional income doing some outside jobs for persons who were quite wealthy and remunerated me well above my expectations.

I have no ill feelings at all for those who possess great wealth, and why should I? None of them has ever taken money or possessions from me, and any money they have received from me has been so as a result of my own free will. Should they give anything back to me? Only if they have sold me a product I find defective, and in those few cases over my lifetime, they have always done so.

I suspect that few if anyone who earns 500x my income pays less than 500x times as much tax as I do, and if any could be found that do, there is likely a good reason.

 

Nyxx,

Why should Camden's problem be America's problem? Shouldn't it be New Jersey's problem? If nothing else, that would eliminate the cost of supporting the Federal bureaucracies involved in sending money back to the State, where it could instead be put to use funding the programs within that State, eliminating also the future debts of paying pensions and other benefits to those bureaucrats who administer programs at the Federal level once they retire.

 

Because as I type this we are in the UNITED States of America.

 

Nothing I wrote makes the UNITED States of America any less United. What exactly was the purpose of creating a United States of America?

 

They may not be United for much longer Texas and Louisiana are looking to leave .

 

....Louisiana might be stupid enough.

Texas just has politicians who know how stupid some of their rabid voting base are.

It makes them feel cool.

 

At least they are trying something that is more then most can say.

 

Actually the last count showed there were 33 States who have petitioned, and 7 of them have exceeded the threshold required to be given a response. Those would be Alabama, Florida, Louisianna, North Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Georgia. And I find that surprising considering I have never even heard of the site, nor has the U.S. media made much effort to give it coverage. I actually discovered it from a BBC Headline story and even then had to dig to find the site address.

I think it only proves how divided the U.S. is becoming and if it was only a case of rich vs poor I would expect the election outcome would have shown Obama beating Romney by a similar or even greater margin than he did over McCain.

Brings to mind the old phrase "United we stand, divided we fall." which may require a more modern revision in becoming instead "United we fall, divided some may remain standing." Those who govern can only go so far in imposing an agenda on the people with little or no regard for their consent as it only divides them much greater against one another. While there are those of us old enough to recognize the changes that have very gradually taken place over the last century, the rapidity of more recent changes has increased to the point that their effects can be seen nearly immediately or even before they are implemented now.

 

Perhaps each State should ask the question next election, and rather than petition the Federal government, inform it that they are seceeding if the citizens have exercised their democratic right to choose to do so?

Wouldn't it be interesting if the Obama and Democrat tax increases could be applied by adding a second tax table to the tax tables, and have those States that he won pay the higher rate while the States that did not support him continued to pay the old rates? Would you expect Obama voters to move from their current location to one of the States who supported him en masse?

 

Texas and the rest aren't trying to leave.

A bunch of people who signed an online petition are suggesting that Texas leave. The signatures are essentially anonymous and often belong to people from outside the state the petition is actually about.
Beyond that, the petition only guarantees a 'response' from a White House staffer somewhere if it hits 25,000 signatures. That's all - even a "no comment", which would still be more than this nonsense deserves.

Lastly, the petition in no way represents an actual move by the state of Texas(or any other state) to secede. States are literally not legally permitted to do so, nor could any survive on its' own. It's some Alex Jones/Glenn Beck level sensationalist lunacy and nothing more.

This nonsense happens every election, but we now have a proliferation of social media and this White House petition website allowing it all to become much more visible and turn into a circus sideshow. It'll go away soon enough, as well it should.

 

one stat that I would have liked to see added was how many of those infant deaths were a direct result of the mother not having healthcare available for the baby.
there is 300 million people in this country how did that many survive? When only (just guessing) 25% have a life necessity?

 

"The number one responsibility for each of us is to change ourselves with hope that others will follow."

Ron Paul, in his last time at the podium before congress, urging an end to two motives that have hindered U.S. society: envy and intolerance.

 

Indie

I’m trying to work out why you would post in yet another thread things that you well know have outstanding criticism that you have not addressed in previous threads.

I mean why are you promoting views that you know you cannot defend from criticism? As I’ve said if you really had these views wouldn’t you want to defend them, if you were an honest person wouldn’t you at least try and address the criticisms?

That’s why I suspect that you get paid for pushing this stuff and you don’t really believe in it, because otherwise why would any rational person keep pumping out stuff that they cannot defend in any rational way?

But the only effort you seem to make is into evasion. Just restating your position doesn’t address the criticisms of it that are still outstanding from previous threads.

I mean we’ve been through the whole US Constitution thing many many many times and your seeming belief that only your interpretation of it is the correct one. And as I’ve argued it might be better to bring it up to date, I mean who’d rely on medical book that was over 200 years old?

We have been through this over and over and over again – you don’t seem to be seeking any balance between wealth and the rest, you seem to what to vastly increase the power and influence of wealth a charge you still seem unable to address in any rational way.
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Indie

Oh hell indie we’ve been through this many many many times already – wealth is interested in promoting its interests, if it is allowed to it will do so to the detriment of everyone else. That is why if allowed they will bankroll any political group that give them what they want, that is why if allowed they will corrupt systems to their control.

My problem with your ideas as explained at length and in detail is that they would vastly increase the power and influence of wealth and allow it to pursue unchecked its interests charges you still seem unable to address in any rational way.

 

I agree with some of what you say, such petitions, although I don't recall them being made during or after every election, or any previous elections I can remember, could no way lead to the secession of any State, no matter how many signatures. I fully support the signing of these petitions as a means of sending a message to our politicians of both parties, who should recognize that once they are elected to office, they are obligated to represent in the interests of all the people of their States and districts, as well as the United States combined. As they represent but a very small portion of the total population they should each govern within the limits given them in our Constitution, allowing for changes which the people and States allow by their consent to be made.

A response of "no comment", in my opinion would be the equivalent of "Tough shit, I'm President now, and you can go to hell if you don't like it." But it's the actions, not the comment that I think most people, especially those who signed one of the petitions are going to be paying close attention to throughout the next 4 years of Obama's presidency.

We'll just have to wait and see what kind of response is given, as a number of the petitions have well exceeded the required number to receive one.

 

Indie

As many have pointed out to you many many times -

While wealth have flourished over the past thirty years or so through being awarded greater remuneration and through tax cuts, the real time incomes of the middle and lower classes have mainly fallen or stagnated.

Fall in top rate tax
1970 – 70%
1982 - 50%
1990 - 28%
2010 – 33%
The neo-liberal ‘trickle down’ ideas that counselled low taxation of the rich took hold in the Reagan era and have remained throughout the steeper period of decline.

Rise in top levels of pay
In the 1950’s CEO pay was 25-50 times that of an average worker that has risen to 300-500 times by 2007.
A bigger gap than any other developed nation.

Trade deficit
1960 – Trade surplus of 3.5 billion
2008 – Trade deficit of 690 billion
(The last time the US posted a trade surplus was in 1975)

Decline in manufacturing
1965 - Manufacturing accounted for 53% of the US’s economy.
2004 – It accounted for 9%
The Economist (10/1/2005) stated: “For the first time since the industrial revolution, fewer than 10% of American workers are now employed in manufacturing.”

 

Bal,

I really don't think there is any way to satisfy you, other than to agree with you, so I don't feel it's worth the effort to even try further as agreement between our views is highly unlikely. Follow me around if you wish and post a response if you wish and I may even respond to you, but since we've gone over everything so many time before, you could save us both time re-reading my old posts.

 

Bal,

I think you've posted that several times previously and I asked you to provide a year by year accounting of each item going back at least to the early 20th century, which would provide a little insight as to where further investigation might be required to get the full story.

 

Can you two just exchange emails instead of taking over every politics thread? I'm sure 90% of us don't read your replies to each other.