God does not exist

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  1. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Laughable? To make inferences about God based on observations in a finite universe about progressions from "small" to "large" seems laughable. The problem is beyond the immediate scope of our knowledge and mental abilities--like my dog trying to figure out what makes me tick.

    I don't think the Abrahamic God is logically impossible, but I think literal depictions of Him are implausible.
     
  2. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    oh , that big bang . since it's only an artifact in a story , the
    reality is eventfully something human and that happens for us
    only rarely .
     
  3. andmoreagain72

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    as science gets bigger God gets smaller because God is used to explain anything science doesn't know.. but how do you go from nothing to something..? religionists will say "ah that was God!" but that's too simplistic and handing God the praise all those difficult topics is lazy.. in fact believing in God is a intellectual kop out IMO..
     
  4. Dejavu

    Dejavu Until the great unbanning

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    thedope:
    Their culture? lol What other diseases from the bible would you like to dredge up?
    Yes, I still find the idea that lust is a violation disgusting. Sorry, if that helps. My disgust is mine, for me to work out.

    Really, it is in the words. You included that phrase in a reply on the origin of them. lol
    Interpretation you say. I did ask you to help me interpret them in way where I could swallow them. Admittedly, I didn't believe you could. :-D And then there is my prudence in not suggesting you swallow them either. lol

    Your take on them is not disgusting, it is forgiving, and innocent. You are not even persecuted by the words themselves. :) But why the example in the first place? You asked me did I know there was such and such a saying. Now you ask if by not holding you to your words I instead hold you to my not making sense of them! Or was it my lack of sense altogether? lol

    LOL, And subjective perceptions, abstractions, are not things?! I wonder how your 'whole' constitutes those parts you maintain don't constitute it. :-D
    How is it again that you account for the fact that knowledge is always perceived? lol

    Don't mind too much if I don't believe that you are bored with sensation. I can well believe you are bored by the boredom of others though.

    Good for you! Are you telling me this because you wish me to join you in it? The emotion in my terms is not really tied up in them, just as the emoticons floating about my writing are not vital to its meaning. :)

    But? lol That we are loves condition doesn't make me anything less than it. Yes, love is magnanimous regardless of condition, but not without it. :-D

    Metaphors. Here's one, from Dejavu: Pottery is a craft.

    Love is never without condition, so don't worry about remembering to breathe necessarily, and don't be afraid of a little perspiration!

    And? Is confusion some sort of argument? It has never been a reason. We seek knowledge of the environment that our attitude towards it may become increasingly more complete, more our own.

    We have ourselves in common also. Is the world as will and representation really a divide when our will is the most we ever know of it? lol Yes, my interest varies, I am not alone the interest of the world. :-D I am of the world, and for this very reason, if no other you may perceive, my love, no mean object, is invariable!

    LOL We laugh for more than that! We laugh at the idea that sensation should ever lay itself to rest! :-D Go get laid or something.

    Free speech. :)
     
  5. Dejavu

    Dejavu Until the great unbanning

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    Okie:
    In a what?! LOL
     
  6. Dejavu

    Dejavu Until the great unbanning

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    tikoo:
    lol :-D
     
  7. thedope

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    We know for certain that beyond anything else, god is a phenomena of human being.
     
  8. Maelstrom

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    And we're quite familiar with how imaginative man can be. The fact that man continues to create new religions as he evolves proves, at least in my opinion, that God is purely a man-made concept.
     
  9. thedope

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    Do you not believe culture to exist dejavu?, and do you not see it's function?
    Your disgust is cultured.
    I don't have to dredge things up from the bible, the culture around me, put those diseases there. Right now a culture is crucifying members of it's own and casting lots for the garments they wear. I am talking about the institution of marriage and the movement to define gays as undeserving
    of the proceeds of a marriage contract.

    Some marriages are designed around a pledge of fealty that puts the family at enmity with everyone else on the planet, as in , forsaking all others.

    These judeo-christian cultural adaptations are very cruel in time, hard hearted.

    Belief in this instance was a symbol chosen to represent an unknown variable.
    I'm curious if you know what the translation I provided was? I am curious as to whether you can swallow the concept that the moment you think the thought elephant, that the constituent arrangements that make elephant, begin to take shape in time and space.

    That burst, single thought, creates a wave that goes out and keeps going. There is nothing to stop it. Someone else could and they do on occasion, pick up those bursts and amplify them, even though the broadcast has ceased emerging from it's original location. Even that short burst has enough creative power to present an image of an elephant in the minds eye of the beholder. Such a brief consideration though takes a very long time to accumulate form.

    But,
    implosion of fissionable material creates chain reaction. The half life of a single thought is short. The energy of concentration is such an implosion.

    My stated aim is to remove the barriers we have erected against the perception of love. I use words full of emotional association to expose the attitudes we hide from ourselves that give us good reason to condemn the world around us. As you say, the disgust is your issue even though you may think that it reflects circumstances.

    By dissembling the idea that knowledge is always perceived.

    The knowledge that microbes caused disease has always been, knowledge is being shared. In fact microbes can cause disease, however we have not always perceived that knowledge. The information was always there. Perception is limited by scope and colored by beliefs and attitudes. The less prone an observation in you, to start a chain of associations in the mind, the closer your perceptions are to the actual information presented.

    Be still and know that I am god.
     
  10. Dejavu

    Dejavu Until the great unbanning

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    At this rate, you'll have to explain to me what you mean by everything you say to me! :-D

    I do, and upon knowing, find the words of your phrase don't match it. In short, I could not have translated your meaning myself. I still reject your phrase unreservedly, but of course, mean what you like by it. :-D

    Curiouser and curiouser? Your knowing no thought is idle makes what your life means understood to me always. :) If we drop the thought elephant for a peanut, will new arrangements be made for it? lol But back to your phrase! :-D You tell me lust is no violation, after telling me in your phrase that it is. Can you get it straight?!

    So drop my question about dropping the thought. How long exactly does it take us to think an elephant into existence? Be careful everyone of what you think about this in case it takes form! lol Elephants don't forget! :-D

    Good reason?! LOL

    LOL! I forgive you for not knowing what you do thedope.


    You've got it all arse about. Where has the information always been? We always perceive what is known to us, and what we come to know. Knowledge is never unknown. You think of knowledge as an absolute, where its potential is actually infinite.

    You going to make me?

    Another one of your 'conjugations' I'm happy to demolish for you.
    Makes me feel barbaric. Dejavu smash! :D
     
  11. Dejavu

    Dejavu Until the great unbanning

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    Back now after doing a few bursts on a dodo. Either everyone else puts their back in and gets beleiving or I wait until 1581 for the shit to kick in.
     
  12. Grim

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    If you ask 'why?' enough times, science runs out of answers...and that's when God(whatever or whomever you perceive God to be) starts giving them instead. It has always and will always be this way.
     
  13. thedope

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    Okay, I have been trying to consolidate but you will have to be specific.
    I think this a good sign. Since you can't file what I am saying by association,
    you might hear something new. No sir dejavu, you hear the same old, again, not anew. No one puts new wine in old skins, or both will burst and both the skin and the wine a ruined.

    Each instant is entirely new but it is patterned on the previous instant. (I don't know how long an instant is but it is so fast that we don't perceive any gaps in the movie.) We mostly make small insignificant changes as our neural order becomes crystallized. A crystals angles remain the same no matter the size of the crystal. Neural network is transducer turning reflected light into image. The reason we wake up to the same, (superficially), world every day is because of the properties of this crystalline, (transducing energy the same way in every instant), neural network. We are creating perspective as we speak. We grow both space and time as we create new pathways of perspective. Notice as our apprehension at large increases the universe is speeding up.

    Your dexterity at translation could be improved with open mindedness.
    Yes, and that is what occurs the vast majority of the time in peoples lives.
    They conceive one thing and then an unrelated thing in succession time and again. No one conception cultivated long enough to generate large oscillation.
    We get a mishmash of effects from our own and other unattended minds.

    To me the will of god is inviolate, your will is inviolate. I said to the culture that preserved the words it was a violation. I have also said that there are two distinctly different ways to apprehend the material quoted, that is culturally apprehended or esoterically apprehended. The myth, cultural, and the archetype, esoteric.
    How long is an instant? Exactly how long it takes for you to behold elephant and nothing else. Hold elephant in your minds eye and what do you see?

    Don't you think you have good reason to be disgusted?

    We are absolutely alive. You think knowledge is a growing book, a record of some sort. Where has the information always been, here, when, now. We do not always perceive what is known to us. We have autonomous nervous functions. Perception is an effect of being shared, not being itself.
    What would you like to apprehend? Knowledge flows freely into an open mind.

    No one of yours that you spit at me.
     
  14. thedope

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    Dejavu, he who entertains the thought of evil, already suffers serious consequences. He who defends himself is already attacked. Our view of the world is conceptually orchestrated.

    Do you see me now?
     
  15. Maelstrom

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    Instead of whining and saying "It's too hard," science seeks the answer rather than giving up all reason and logic for a magical man in the sky.
     
  16. thedope

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    Do you think that I have left my reason behind? God is not responsible for the effect that Grim points out. Belief is. The future is uncertain but we have confidence that we will continue.
     
  17. tikoo

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    we are not born with concept , just pure thought . a pure thought
    can be remembered exactly and is a thought of existence that endures
    without evolving . the experience of first light exists as such a thought .
    mine was beautiful and gentle .

    you say that non-existence is purely a man-made concept .
    you are correct . likewise , so is the act of creating non-existence .

    non-existence , thus , is not exact .

    how can a dream exactly exist ? when it comes true ; and then we
    deem this spiritual .
     
  18. thedope

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    Just back after a substantial doo doo , lot's of grunting and straining. I'm on top o dat shit.
     
  19. Dejavu

    Dejavu Until the great unbanning

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    thedope:
    I was trying to give myself reason for hearing you out. I still will, but you make it that much more trying. lol

    There's no need for me to translate you. God doesn't exist for me, I allow your every freedom to translate yourself. And being more open minded than you, there's no need for me to entertain your expression in 'words' :-D lol

    Are you saying there's something the matter with our elephants? lol
    In my pride as a pachyderm, I'd stomp you for suggesting I was not the large oscillation of my own imagination. :-D There is no need to cultivate a fixed thought. Our highest can be carried by our highest feeling. We have not all realized that joy only necessitates itself.

    You're preserving them still in brand new skins! Your esoteric apprehension is only esoteric because it is your own. :-D

    And nothing else? lol Then the instant is an eternity. Seeing is believeing, but you insist that it is not knowing. Perhaps you feel you are somehow freeing the way to knowledge? And perhaps you are, but it is only your own.

    Of course I don't. My reason overcomes disgust. My disgust has no choice but to allow it to grow up.

    No, it is no book, no record, knowledge is the state of knowing, and is always perceived. Your totalist notion of knowledge has you state: "We do not always perceive what is known to us." The question, again, is when? lol You say perception is not being. What is it then you are perceiving?!

    I have never commanded you to be still and know that I am god, thedope.
    I don't even shoot at your feet and tell you to dance! It would be for your own good that you give up insisting that your god exist for me. :) Missionaries invariably lose their way.

    You aren't a slavedriver, but you appeal to their idioms. I throw your cautions to the wind that they are. There is lust in my love, but if you try to dirty it, you may need to take a bath.

    So I'd better not think of how sexy the world is because I will have already woken up in bed beside it the following morning? I say you don't know dick about orgasms that haven't happened. lol

    You mean you were. I hope :-D
     
  20. thedope

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    Come on, I'm not the one mixing metaphors. Same old is not new. Is there something specific that I said in that quote that is trying you other than that?

    My mistake, I thought you ask me to translate certain statements. Good doesn't exist for you?

    No I am saying that high fidelity broadcasts are the result of frequency modulation. Highest, as you allude to below could be most intense, or most appealing, or loudest. Amplitude modulation is prone to static as competing voices vie for ascendancy.


    There is no need to do anything but if you would like to be more consistent with your effects then it requires effort toward a desired aim. I find highest to be contradictory to your idea that knowledge is incomplete.

    No Dejavu, I share my thoughts with others and they with me.

    Exactly, infinite patience brings immediate results.

    I hope so, for a while there you were using reason to defend your disgust.

    When we focus on something particular. Form is defined by negative space.

    A corridor of refraction.



    Here again sweetheart, you are apprehending what I said parochially.

    Be still and know that I am god, translates to knowledge flows freely into an open mind. I say this in conjunction with the statement; The less prone an observation in you, to start a chain of associations in the mind, the closer your perceptions are to the actual information presented.; The more unadulterated or less filtered through habit, the clearer the perception.

    That chain of association is past learning. To get a clear view of the light of ancient stars, the proportions of space, we rise above the light pollution of civilized culture.

    I'm just hot, a hard worker, studious as I have claimed. People surround me because they are free to be themselves.

    See here. My tale is a suggestion not to depreciate the power of your own mind, in your own mind. Thought comes first. The impulse of mind begins even before a word is formed. Thought need not be symbolic, (physically represented), to affect the quality of the one mind.

    I bet your lust is not allowed to overwhelm your respect for others, but an adjunct to your appreciation. This is not so for everyone.

    There is super sex, sex that liberates and extends, and there is supra sex, fetish that binds, that you need in order to get off.

    I go in and out infrequently. Remember, tantric. My joy is not pent up in a flash, or the hope of one. I don't care about orgasms that haven't happened yet, I am too busy getting off.

    That would be the metaphorical shit.
     
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