Papa John Is Mad About Obama Care

There's this recurring fallacy among the various right-wing corporate personas that creep around these parts....

You keep saying, in effect, that it's impossible to pay someone too little in voluntary employment, because otherwise they will simply leave.

You live in a fantasy-land.

 

Really Voluntary??

Where else are they going to go work...... they have bills to pay etc. or are they supposed to go on welfare??

 

Assuming what you say is true (and it's not), and Papa John's is their ONLY option for employment... Than John Schnatter's greedy, underpaying ways are even better than I thought... He's offering 10,000 people an income who would otherwise have none.

 

"are humans too reckless and stupid to decide for themselves what to eat and what not to eat"

Obviously. The wall street ad machine is successful,relentless and due to a seeming lack of understanding of their purposes, which are exacerbated/fascilitated by their ubiquitous in-home agents--Television sets--they are very much in tune with how easy it is to convince people to contribute to their own deleterious habits. The well thought out plan of dumbing all citizens down, thereby precluding the ability to use good judgement,is the life blood of MANY businesses. Voila--fat-dumb-non-critical thinking-citizens is what we have.

"He's probably donated more money to charity than you'll make in your lifetime". Yes ,and if my aunt had balls she probably would have been my uncle. Specious.

As far as I'm concerned, the way Costco is run SHOULD-repeat -SHOULD be a fine example of how business could be conducted. Never happen. I know my family shops there. NEVER-EVER, do we enter a Walfuck Mart.

You get it or you don't.

 

So, you think that people shouldn't be granted the freedom to choose what they eat?

And if people are too stupid to know what to eat, who are these enlightened people who do know, and that will make the decisions for the rest of us?

 

Why,me of course. Who could do it better?

Seriously--which is the better business model? Which is better for the employees? The community? The customers?

 

The money that is spent at WalfuckMart goes to Bentonville Arkansa,with the exception of the employee dollars spent locally. I,frankly would rather my fellow citizens spend their 17 bucks an hour locally that WalfuckMarts nine bucks an hour. Better for all concerned.

 

Exactly! Why are we subsidizing Walfarts underpayed, food stamp, medicade getting employees while the Walton family continous to be the richest Billionaires in the US? That shouuld be illegal!!!!! They should pay their employees enough so they dont have to live on food stamps and Medicaid.!!!!! I have not and will not shop and support these greedy fuckin pigs!!!!!

 

What works for one industry might not work for another. Just based off that article, I'd say that CostCo's business model is better for it's employees / community / customers because it's apparently out competing it's competitors.

I certainly agree that there is a potential benefit to offering better wages / benefits to employees. You're able to attract more skilled workers, and like Voyage said.. it potentially improves the productivity and health of your workers. It also cuts back on turnover.. and it's a general rule that the longer an employee is at a company the more productive they are.

The potential costs / benefits of varying wage rates is something that each individual business owner determines on their own. The degree to which they create jobs / wealth is the indicator of whether or not they have made good judgement.

I think CostCo's business model, as well as Papa John's... are both good... because they're both successful and thriving businesses. But saying that because CostCo offering $17/ hr and healthcare benefits, that Papa John's should do the same... isn't really realistic.

 

Of course he's not the only employer out there..... but there are ton's of assholes out there who treat their employees the same way,from what I understand the economy is pretty crap so ppl take what they can..... Papa Dickhead is just the company I'm using.

 

(To post 289)Oh? it's happening isn't it? Isn't that reality? Now which would you rather work for?

 

Also, here is a picture of John Sinegal's house:
here

So is he also a greedy, manipulative fuck?

If someone saves up the money, and invests it in a business, shouldn't it be their prerogative how they run it? (as long as they don't use force against anyone)

If papa John's employees have no other options, why doesn't he just pay them all $1 / hour?

 

Nope. He treats his employees fair. There's your differance.

 

probably because there is a minimum wage set by government.

 

000000000--government interferance! Coulda used a little of that in Bangladesh. Or some unions that ended that shit here. With blood. Triangle Shirtwaist Company. Check it out.

 

Look at the house come on....... is he saying that healthcare is going to hurt him how? How exactly? Yes he did work to get where is is but he also had the little guys doing the dishes and delivering the pizza all those years helping him get where he is.

Whether they stayed for long or was just a part time gig to get them through school, they helped build him build his company.

Now that he's set up is it so wrong to give a little back??

Exactly if it wasn;t there I'm sure ppl would try to get away with it..... and sure many still do with ppl who can't speak English and are undereducated. But that's the way they like them there.......

 

Ok.. so why then does any business charge over the minimum wage? If their workers have no other options, every business would pay the minimum wage right? Why are there unskilled, entry level jobs that pay $9, $10 an hour?

Papa John's included offers many of their employees WELL ABOVE the minimum wage. If they could get away with paying them $1 / hr in the absence of the minimum wage, then why would they pay anything higher then the current minimum wage?

There's no minimum wage in Germany... and yet.. workers there aren't getting paid $1 / hour... their wage rates for various occupations are comparable to our own.

Actually, John Sinegal is the CEO of CostCo.. the house I posted is HIS house, not John Schnatters (Papa John's owner)

Nothing's wrong with giving a little back. I'm all for giving. But it should be up to each individual how much they give back of the money they themselves earn. Forced charity is not charity. Like I said, John Schnatter gives quite a lot of money to charity, at least according to his Wiki. I'm sure he's not bequeathing his entire estate to all of his past, present, and future employees... but that doesn't make him necessarily a greedy person. According to Forbes he makes $750,000 a year. How much would he have to give back to make him not a greedy person? How much would you give back if you owned and ran a successful business that netted you $750,000 a year? How much would you leave for yourself, and your family?

Just because he doesn't offer healthcare for his employee's does not make him a greedy person...And just because he's successful doesn't make him one either. None of us really knows enough about John Schnatter to speculate whether he's a greedy fuck, a rube, or anything else we've been calling him...

He certainly doesn't OWE his employees anything additional. They entered into a voluntary contract with him, and exchanged their labor for a level of compensation that both parties agreed on. It was because of John Schnatter's business savy and wherewithal that those jobs were available in the first place.

 

History tells us wealth wants their labor and they want it on the cheap. They’d prefer slaves.

Who are the real moochers of society?

 

Because the government has a minimum wage, which prevents a race to the bottom by employers, with regards to wages.

 

Why would John not want his employees healthy? They work with food for Gods sake! Its a good investment for everybody involved.

Corporations?