Papa John Is Mad About Obama Care

Individual,

I guess you must be laughin' your ass off -- leadin' the trolls around by the nose, as you have.

 

Bal,

I'm waiting on you to post something both reasonable and rational, worthy of a response.

Keep trying, you may come up with something if you try hard.

 

56olddog,

I have to admit, sometimes it's hard not to laugh, but then again it's kind of sad when you think about the future they seem determined to create for themselves and others to live in.

 

Oh poor little Indie

Is that all you could think up as a come back LOL

To repeat - have you any rational and reasonable arguments or what?

 

My company had its annual meeting today, to discuss how the year went, changes to be made, etc.

In anticipation of Obamacare, our insurance company has raised the rates and lowered the coverage. Less for more. Yay

 

Again maybe the US should take a more NHS route?

 

That's just what we need, something like THIS.

The affordable care act, IS moving more towards a national healthcare route. We should instead move in the opposite direction, remove all forms of licensure, regulations, and stop propping up our third party payer system.

 

This ones good too

 

Do you know how many patients the NHS deals with every year?
Do you think everybody gets the same level of care within American hospitals?
How else would you treat terminal babies?

 

Why does the number of patients matter?
No, I do not think everyone gets the same level of care in American hospitals, nor do I see why that's relevant... Nor do I think a system exists where everyone will get the same level of care. And just because I'm against socialized medicine, does not mean I'm for America's current system...
I would try to do everything I can to save them? From what the article describes, many of the babies could have recovered, and actually died from starvation / dehydration and not the "terminal" illnesses they were condemned for.

 

What the article says has nothing to do with what the doctor says.

I read the article, and go, "my god, the British systematically murder their babies, it's like bejing in this bitch".

And then I read the doctor's account, and go "oh, the british tabloids systematically spin all news, in order to make it as sensationalist as possible".

Anyways, that has nothing to do with removing all regulation, that's a disaster and has nothing to do with saving lives. If you want to save lives, get debt collectors out of hospitals.

This last weekend I had a panic attack for unknown reasons, and had severe chest/arm pains for about 12 hours, I still don't feel normal, things are a bit tight. I couldn't go to the ER, it's ten thousand dollars for an overnight stay (which I would be risking if I went) here. And insurance covers a very good portion of it. And I could STILL never, never afford that. If I could rest assured that it was paid for, I would have gone immediatly.

 

The No. matters because with a large population to cope with (63 million) the incidents of poor care are small. The poor care in one hospital, over a relatively short period, is not indicative of the overall care the NHS provides - so I wonder what you were trying to prove with the e.g.
What ever system you prefer - shit happens.

Apart from 'medical critics' who says those children could have survived?
I'd read about the process before you throw around articles like that.

If 'ThisIsWhyYoureWrong' - What system is right?

 

Shit happens?

 

"Shit happens" is a common slang phrase, used as a simple existential observation that life is full of imperfections and unforeseeable events, either "Así es la vida" or "C'est la vie". The phrase is an acknowledgment that bad things happen to people for no particular reason. Phrases with similar meaning are such as "stuff happens" or "it happens" and are considered minced oath forms. In the October 14, 1941 episode of the long-running radio show Vic and Sade, "Vic Declines a Cornet Lesson," Sade remarks wearily, "Stuff happens, don't it? Stuff happens."

 

OdonII,

I know exactly what it means, but am surprised to see it being used as it appears that many posting here feel that the primary purpose of government is to eliminate shit from happening.

 

It is. Do you think the DOH wanted the first e.g to happen, or accept what the second e.g is trying to say?
I would imagine you could fill a libriary with the documentation regarding patient care (etc) the NHS has produced, and produces.

It was a little crass of me to say that. With the best will in the world, and the most stringent of procedures in place - incidents occur. Utter abysmal failings occur. It isn't because it is a 'socialised' system. It's because humans are involved. You can't always eliminate everything - especially when there are approx 1.4 million people employed. The two e.g's used, heck just using e.g's in that manner was a little weak.

 

OdonII,

When I noticed the links pointed to a UK website, and the previous post it appeared to be a response to was the UK NHS system, I didn't bother to look at the links as I'm more interested in what's going on in the U.S. I assume the UK citizens are fully capable of addressing their own health care problems, if any.

The text of the post relative to what is happening in the U.S. is all I took note of, and I'm not supportive of a National Health Care system, or single payer (unless you interpret the single payer to be the one receiving care or directly responsible for the one receiving care). I think some tort reforms might be a lot more effective in reducing costs of health care in the U.S., and I think each individual State should have full autonomy in solving the costs with Federal government regulations minimal but necessary as determined by the States and their citizens.

I am in total agreement with the caption, "Central planning doesn't work", under each image posted by "ThisIsWhyYourWrong". Planning is primarily and exercise of ones freedom to make choices, and the best choices are usually produced when one first examines rationally and reasonably their needs and wants, balanced by their means.

 

I'm sure you are not the only one that tunes out if it isn't related to the U.S...

How do you think they do that?

It's definitely easier for the UK to organise itself centrally albeit with regional autonomy and accountabilty...But, effectively, it isn't actually administered centrally but regionally.

A National Health Service trust provides services on behalf of the English NHS and NHS Wales.
The trusts are not trusts in the legal sense but are in effect public sector corporations. Each trust is headed by a board consisting of executive and non-executive directors, and is chaired by a non-executive director. Non-executive directors are recruited by open advertisement.
All trust boards are required to have an audit committee consisting only of non-executive directors, on which the chair may not sit. This committee is entrusted not only with supervision of financial audit, but of systems of corporate governance within the trust.A National Health Service trust provides services on behalf of the English NHS and NHS Wales.
The trusts are not trusts in the legal sense but are in effect public sector corporations. Each trust is headed by a board consisting of executive and non-executive directors, and is chaired by a non-executive director. Non-executive directors are recruited by open advertisement.
All trust boards are required to have an audit committee consisting only of non-executive directors, on which the chair may not sit. This committee is entrusted not only with supervision of financial audit, but of systems of corporate governance within the trust.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHS_trust



http://www.nhs.uk/NHSEngland/thenhs/about/Pages/authoritiesandtrusts.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHS_Constitution_for_England
http://www.ntda.nhs.uk/

So, you get what you pay for, and if you can't pay, tough?
Do you mean regional autonomy and accountability? - guess what^

 

Not so much tune out, just quietly observe.

Someone has to pay, very little in life is free.

Autonomy and accountability begins with each individual in a free society. What?

 

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