I think I'm done with McDonalds

I suggest some of you read up on the people who have done their own "at-home" experiments with McDonalds burgers...keeping them for 10+ years and not having the consistency, color, or texture change at all.

Pretty heavy shit

 

Because I like their veggie burgers, fries, and coke.
Seriously, I don't.
I'm not going to lie to myself. My thought was the Beef is 100% Beef.
I'm not going to say: 'No it isn't, it's pumped full of x, y and z' - just to go along with others. Why would I?

I would be very concerned if their meat suppliers tortured their animals.
Is there some evidence for that?
I would be very concerned if their meat suppliers didn't slaughter their animals. Infact I'd be horrified.
I am concerned about animal welfare, but I do not take the hysterical approach to it like, for e.g, PETA - who see the mere slaughter of animals as torture.
You could argue, the fact MCDonald's is highly scrutinised they have to continually raise their game, and improve.
It could also be argued, because of that the general welfare of animals has improved in the industry as a whole.

They do contribute to the sickness and death of a vast number of humans who eat their burgers (etc) on an almost daily basis, and also have terrible lifestyles anyway. I agree with you there.

http://www.fao.org/docrep/ARTICLE/AGRIPPA/555_EN.HTM

I know.
That is why I was honest enough to mention several countries, and include the U.S where it isn't quite the same (The U.S old of 'pink slime' Hormones used in Beef).
For the U.S I didn't look at 2012, though.
It's also likely any Beef is the same unless it is organic.
So, the beef you get at the ma and pa store will be the same Beef.
Fancy boycotting the local ma and pa burger store?

McDonalds

Spurred by EDF and public concern over the dangers of antibiotic overuse, fast-food giant McDonald's has implemented its global policy to reduce antibiotic use (EDF 2008c). In 2006 McDonald’s top supplier, Tyson Corporate, announced that it had reduced antibiotic use by over 90 percent and the top four poultry companies in the U.S. all reported eliminating the use of human antibiotics to promote growth in chickens. It is estimated that a total of 223,600 pounds of antibiotics have been reduced from poultry producers in the US since the establishment of the McDonald's partnership with EDF.

http://business.edf.org/chemicals/antibiotics/impacts-sustainable-antibiotics-policies

You can prove this wrong if you wish...feel free to do so.

 

Oh good grief.

 

Who the UK suppliers? The Canadian suppliers? The U.S suppliers? Who are you talking about? Clue me in.

The cause of BSE? Do they (the beef industry) still do this?

 

What's the matter? I responded to your post. Have you nothing further to say?
Maybe I didn't say what you wanted me to say *shrugs shoulders*

This thread is making me hungry *chuckle*

 

Regardless of all that's gone before-McD coffee is the one I like.
For YEARS I wouldn't go near the place-I have my own reasons for that-but trucking across
Europe means stopping at truckstops. Each has coffee-shops,fast-food outlets,blah blah.
McD's is the ONLY outlet that makes coffee with two shots of espresso in that doesn't taste like hot brown water. Costa,S/buck,Cafe Grande,Hotbean etc right across Europe all make coffee like piss,but McD make coffee that hits home.
I repeat I have two shots of espresso in my 'large coffee',no matter from whom.
I find it hard to believe I'm praising McD-I fucking DETESTED the place and it's policies for YEARS-so if I'm prepared to praise them you can believe the coffee is good and that they've turned the place around. I see them in truckstops/service areas right across Europe,and the food may not be my thing,but McD large coffee+2 shots is always good.
And if you've just stopped for diesel,grabbing a large coffee+two extra shots is occasionally complimented by some chips. Sorry..'fries'.
Which are pleasant to chomp as you truck along a boring road toward the horizon....not all the time,y'understand-but as an occasional treat they're very pleasant.

 

http://aht.seriouseats.com/archives...f-the-12-year-old-burger-testing-results.html

If I get their Big Breakfast (it's not actually that big, tbh) - I get the coffee. It's way too strong for my taste. But yeah, it's not too bad. I always, and I mean ALWAYS spill most of it all over the place.

 

i don't mind mcdonalds' food, but my town has two of them and two burger kings, and both of them are almost right next to each other; it's hard for me to choose mcdonalds over BK when they are both right there.

KFC is just awful. i still like their "famous bowls" but their chicken is just wrong. church's makes the best fast food chicken i've had, but i live nowhere near a ghetto and church's refuses to build a store that isn't in a terribly dangerous area. so i get my chicken at a local gas station, which is actually pretty good as long as i get there just after 5 when they just made all the chicken for the evening.

overall, i go through phases. i'll eat fast food several nights a week for a month or two, then i'll be sick of all of it so i won't eat any for a month or two, until my hatred of cooking eclipses my distaste for fast food again.

 

The Above Describes Me To A Tee...:2thumbsup:



Cheers Glen.

 

What do you eat instead?

 

If you just liked their veggie burgers, you would just post something such as "I like their veggie burgers" and leave it at that. Instead, you post links from their corporate partners and defend their policies. I don't think this just about liking veggie burgers

so the animals are packed together, standing in piles of shit. as the article mentions, these conditions lead to their immune systems being depressed. sounds like fun?

you could argue a lot of things, but that doesn't make it so. you could also argue that McDonald's will white wash their organization to make themselves look better when their profits are threatened. you could argue the reason they have made any changes at all, substantive or not, comes from the vast amount of harm they have caused and the resulting public outrage.

...ah, so you are insinuating that it is the consumers, not McDonald's that is responsible for the illness and death that results from consuming their products, and further that I endorse such a view (and clearly, I do not, nor have I said anything that suggests that this is my view).

so you just like their veggie burgers, and just oppose falsehoods stated about McDonald's, yet you stoop to such disingenuous rhetorical tactics?

yes, people should know better than to consume, and in particular, to over-consume their products. similarly, people shouldn't sign on for mortgages they can't afford or smoke.

there are quite a few people, however, who are too dumb, too ill informed about nutrition and health, too vulnerable, too easily manipulated to protect themselves from McDonald's. And they spend millions of dollars to manipulate people into buying their products and over-consuming them. I suppose we should blame children for being lured in by "happy meal" toys or by happy clowns. Certainly in the us, there is no sign of the disease or illness that will result from eating their food in their advertising.

so apparently low doses of anti-biotics can be used to promote animal growth. thank you for bringing this to my attention.

not using anti-biotic growth promoters is not the same thing, however, as not using anti-biotics

McDonald's exerts so much influence that its suppliers dominate the meat industry.

you need to quote a source other than one of McDonald's corporate partners, who have a vested interest in promoting McDonald's.

are you arguing that McDonald's has made these changes out of a love for humanity, or only because they couldn't get away with it anymore?

further, this only refers to a reduction of hormone use in poultry

 

Odon... lol

 

How am I defending their policies? I'd need to know their policies - for a start.
I've only commented on a couple of points. Jeez. Sue me.

It isn't talking about McDonald's in particular. It also says 'Often...' - so if they are proven wrong with regards to a particular supplier they can say: 'Yeah well, we didn't mean them' - I would imagine.

I think they are being factually accurate.
I'm quite sure it's about profits, or heavily based on the profits.
But I like to think they do have a bit of a good soul, though. RMHC etc.

Yes.

Bit cheap that. Sorry.

And? Hows that McDonald's problem?

Not really.

Ever heard of parental responsibility?

Are they? How do you know that?

I wouldn't go as far as a 'love for humanity'.
I would say most industries have changed over the last 10-20 years - on the whole for the better
I think McDonald's do a lot more than they actually have to do, and what any of us are aware of.
I've learnt a few things today I didn't know.

Really?

 

http://www.edf.org/news/mcdonald’s-...und-mark-20-years-partnerships-sustainability

Agh, I only read the info. Didn't read anything else.

 

McD's has the best fries. I don't get their burgers...and only "indulge" in their fries sometimes. If I eat "meat" from a fast-food place, it's a chicken sandwich from Hardee's. That being said...if people were capable of eating in moderation and cooking for themselves the majority of the time, most of the whining about how evil the fast-food industry is wouldn't happen.

Of course I do realize moderation is an antiquated, old-fashioned idea.

 

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naming McDonald's in particular could subject critics to special food libel law suits

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_libel_laws

also, consider in particular, the McLibel suit

anyone criticizing McDonald's or the beef industry is in danger

McDonald's is such a huge buyer of beef that it shapes the beef industry. If any practice is common among major beef suppliers, it is prima facie evidence that McDonald's sources its beef from facilities that engage in these practices.

I think the documentary "Food, Inc." talks about some of McDonald's suppliers, and verifies the practices mentioned.

I accept your apology. however, it demonstrates that

1. you really do have a hard-on for McDonald's, you just like to argue, or both

2. you can't be trusted in this or any other argument

an absurd, indefensible, and shameful argument.

by this line of reasoning, pedophiles are not responsible for child rape because the parents haven't adequately warned their children not to take candy from strangers or kept an eye on them. a woman who walks on the street alone at night is responsible for being raped

It is simply not the case that McDonald's has cart blanche to manipulate the public into buying its poison foods, and that the failure of the public to defend itself from McDonald's excuses McDonald's from culpability.

shame! shame on OdonII!

they say themselves that they have partnership with McDonald's. It doesn't prove that their information is wrong, but they are not an independent source.

mmmmm....like banking! imho, most industries are more evil than ever. they have a strangle hold on government policies which they manipulate for their own benefit. and the media is even more in bed with them than ever.

they've just managed to put a better pr spin on their image, because they know that it affects their profits

yes, really.

 

I’m done with McDonald’s as well

I’m ready for some quality fast food like Burger King, Wendy’s, Denny’s, and Pizza Hut, and from there Olive Garden, Applebee’s, Bertucci’s, and Red lobster, and who knows, but just maybe one day Outback Steakhouse (the king of dining) :2thumbsup:


When I was a kid it was always Howard Johnson’s (or Ho-Jo's)



Hotwater

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5upqYOuH0jQ"]Rawhide - Opening and End Credits - YouTube

 

i make good quantum burgers. all the beans get squished together and vibrate like fly argaric

 

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*chuckle* If posting that I thought their Beef was 100% Beef, and providing something to back that up is defending their policies (plural) - ok, guilty as charged.

McDonald's:
Is complicit in Third World starvation.
Buys from greedy rulers and elites and practices economic imperialism.
Wastes vast quantities of grain and water.
Destroys rainforests with poisons and colonial invasions.
Sells unhealthy, addictive junk food.
Alters its food with artificial chemistry.
Exploits children with its advertising;
Is responsible for torture and murder of animals.
Poisons customers with contaminated meat.
Exploits its workers and bans unions.
Hides its malfeasance.

Are you one of the two?
Anybody has the right to defend themselves.
Under English law, the burden of proving (on balance of probability) the literal truth of every disparaging statement is on the defendant.

Ok. If you are saying their suppliers are engaging in torture and anything else you care to name - then you have to prove it (or atleast provide more information).
Otherwise it's just empty words.
This is not me defending them this is you having to put your money where your mouth is.

You think?

I do like a good argument. I wasn't actually arguing (here) till you came along.

That's a little harsh isn't it? If you can sit there and say you are always 100% fair, honest and never manipulative - I'd be surprised if you can honestly say that is true. What I did was a mild case of throwing your words back at you. It was hardly the crime of the century. I apologised because I never usually do that - I'd usually explain that we agree with each other, and explain why.
If you think about it, we agreed with each other.

Hardly the same thing. A parent makes a choice to take their child into McDonald's. McDonald's do not hide in bushes grabbing people off the street and force burgers down their throats, do they?

On average, McDonald's serves 2.5 million customers a day in the UK.
That means 60 million people manage to avoid McDonald's every single day. To be fair, lets make that 40 million - removing babies and others not capable of going to McDonald's.
The vast majority of people are like the vast majority of people in this thread.

I don't know how Independent they are - 'working with' doesn't necessarily mean 'beholden to'.
Somebody somewhere has surely gone through the details independently. You just have to look for it.
Plus: Inspections:
http://www.fsis.usda.gov/FACTSheets/Inspection_&_Grading/index.asp
http://www.food.gov.uk/enforcement/monitoring/mhservice/#.UOIrbm_ZaSo

Stick to the point, and provide some evidence...or remain silent, imho.

Why does it say 'antibiotics'?