Can you help me identify the chemical(s) on these blotters? Supposedly more than LSD

I was told these blotters contain a 400ug mix of LSD/Mescaline/Muscimol per tab. Subjective effects concur with this claim but dosage information is inconclusive.

Now before you go screaming THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE just hear me out because I literally thought the exact same thing.

I got these blotters from my source, soaking wet when I received them. I tested by swallowing to make sure they weren't NBOMEs, I definitely felt effects very similar to LSD but oddly different at the same time (I have done LSD dozens of times at dosages ranging from 100-500ug so I am pretty familiar with the effects)

A few days later I do 4 tabs and I experience a trip very different from a typical LSD trip. I felt the normal effects of LSD, they were all pretty much present, but i felt more than that. It felt very anxiolytic especially during peak times of my trip where i'd normally go completely crazy and lose my mind however I was able to hold it together with ease (i attribute this to the GABAergic effects of Muscimol)

Its not placebo because I was for the most part unaware of the effects of Mescaline and Muscimol before the trip yet I felt very anti-anxiety, dissociated, stimulated, numb, and I had extremely vivid and lucid dreams for days after (I checked my bias). The visuals I had were also distinctly different from visuals i normally get on acid. They felt more geometric, intricate, and colorful. These are all things that can be attributed to Mescaline or Muscimol, which I was unaware of for the duration of my trip (ruling out possible placebo).

Based on subjective effects, dosages, onset, taste, smell, and oral ingestion we were able to rule out the following RCs:
-25x-NBOME
-DOx
-5-Meo-AMT
-2C-X
-ALD-52

As far as I know it is possible for drugs to potentate each other (i.e. alcohol and benzos) but as far as I know I am unsure as to whether these particular drugs potentate each other, and I am unable to find any evidence on this subject other than the trip I had the other day, I would love if someone with knowledge and sources would come forward and help.

 

You can rule out mescaline, a threshold dose for mescaline is ~80 mgs and psychedelic dose usually ~ 300 mgs.

Highly unlikely it was muscimol either as upon a quick search that still requires a 10-15 mgs dose.

Nbome's may be fairly active orally if they are complexed with HPBCD or perhaps it was a different lysergamide like LSM or LSP, etc.

 

See I can't rule out those tho. I can rule out that I took ONLY mescaline or ONLY muscimol, but I still cant rule out that I took a mixture of the three because it is very possible that they potentate each other since they have affinities for the same receptors. Just speculation of course. Hopefully theres someone that knows more about this particular subject than me.

 

Look, I'm sorry for you that your dealer lied to you but potentiaton simply doesn't work to that degree. I've done several psychedelic combinations and Usually at best the respective chems will synergize to about double their respective potencies, so 1 mg of mescaline is not all of a sudden going to equal 300 mgs mescaline simply by adding LSD.

Here is a source...

http://www.lycaeum.org/~iamklaus/combine.htm

 

I never said or even implied they potentated it THAT much. I personally dont even think that because I didn't feel THAT much mescaline, but there were definitely some effects reminiscent of mescaline at the threshold dose according to the subjective effects of mescaline.

 

Why would someone go and ruin some perfectly good LSD blotter by putting other shit on there?

 

Well in my honest opinion, coming from a guy who LOVES LSD. This was actually better than any LSD trip i've had before. It is anything but ruined.

 

I'd guess it's either LSD + dealer induced placebo or it's some other lysergic compound. Could even be something weird like LSD + Phenazepam or LSD + synthetic cannabinoid.

It's definitely not mescaline though man, there's just no two ways about that.

 

In my opinion it's probably just acid. Placebo can cure people of physical ailments, so there's a very strong likelyhood you tripped slightly differently because your subconcious was making it happen.

 

There is a limited amount of material that can fit onto the blotter paper. Mescaline is not one of the chemicals that works on the paper and it is also a VERY expensive psychedelic for the most part and it would not be given out as a combo with acid for any kind of reasonable price (of course this mixture could only occur in some large pill or in some kind of tincture).
I have spent much less time researching different psychoactive compounds recently than I used to mostly because I have tried most of the psychedelics that I really have an interest in trying, this said I had not previously heard of Muscimol. After a few quick searches, this chemical also is unlikely to be on blotter along with acid.

My suggestion is that you buy both Ehrlich's and Marquis reagent testsand carry these tests out on one of these blotters. This will at least narrow things down a bit.

I would guess that there is either acid or a non-LSD ergoloid on these blotters, unless there was some kind of taste, in which case I would guess a longer acting RC (the differences you describe between these tabs and acid sound similar to ones my friend pointed out in his experiences with DoC).

To continue logically, you simply must realize that your dealer was lying to you.

 

Definitely 25x. Your dealers an ass. Either that or he just doesn't know.

The part that baffles me is the fact that they were wet? What the hell? Sounds sketchy to me. Sounds like he made them wet, just to say there is more shit on there, just to get you to buy them from him.

25x compounds are definitely.. I used to like them better than LSD. But one time. I ate two blotters. TWO. And freaked out like I have never freaked out before. One time I ate 3 and then smoked synthetic weed and had a seizure. One time it fucked my mind up so bad that I was having intense, vivid, DISGUSTING dreams. I'm not going into what they were about, because they were SICK. DISTURBING. I can't even relay to you how sinister they were..

Sounds JUST like 25x to me. They bombard the fuck out of your receptors and glitch you. the. fuck. out.

 

definitely not mescaline. you would not feel effects from 400 ug of mescaline, even if you combined it with LSD and muscimol.

if your entire blotter paper was MADE OUT OF MESCALINE, and had LSD dropped onto it...you'd only get effects from the LSD. it still wouldn't be enough mescaline.

 

Lol 'This shit is straight mescaline and LSD combined man, I got it from an old hippy who cooks his own shit man.. At festivals man!'

 

It could be LSA.

 

No it couldn't.

LSA is roughly 1/10 the strength of LSD, and have you ever done LSA? The extraction is always.. It could NEVER fit on a blotter.

 

I have NBOME blotters that are wet, I missed that part in your post. The trip is also wayyy more "together", and is "kind of like acid but different". This sounds like NBOME to me too.

I think the bad experiences with nbome are due to dosage. i think people in the acid scene are making nbome blotters very very potent (as in, take HALF OF ONE or ONE), and distributing them to people who are used to weak-mediocre LSD hits, where you'd want 2, 3, 4, 5 etc.

I'm seeing this pattern and thinking this is what's happening, and this is why people are having terrible experiences at times with these compounds. They are forgetting a very simple rule of trying out new drugs; dose low! and don't mix with other drugs, especially other brand new drugs like synthetic cannabinoids (which have been around long enough for us to know they can be dangerous).

Just to throw this out there, when I have a new batch of LSD I like to eat 1/4 of one hit with a full day to myself in order to test it. Even if it's an average strength LSD blotter, you'll feel it and get a great idea of what a full hit would be like, or 2, or 3 (a reasonable idea that won't matter if you're that much off, since at least its LSD). And if you should happen to be sold NBOME blotter as "acid" (as is happening like crazy, everywhere, by everyone's "friends" and "trusted dealers") then you'll also know what you need to know, and can avoid a bad situation.

It is never an intelligent move to eat multiple hits of a new batch of blotter.

I will tell my dealer to his face that I will eat 1/4 of one blotter in order to ascertain *for myself* how they are. You need to be looking out for yourself here, especially with a dealer man, they are making money off you. It doesn't mean you can't trust them or they are dishonest, it means they have a motivation to sell you product, and as much as they can convince you to buy. :sultan: Resist peer pressure and remember you are putting chemicals in your body that could result in a sudden presence of ambulance, police, court, etc. Plan for the worst and hope for the best.

 

I remember your posts from way back.. youre full of shit man..:love:

 

If someone can convince themselves that they are experiencing mescaline via blotter, I think it's safe to assume that they can convince themselves of anything regarding blotters. 1/4 of an average strength blotter (say 50 ugs) falls well below the threshold dose for LSD via sources such as Erowid and among others.

So while this may work for you, I think it's safe to assume that most would not even feel such a dose and it certainly would not lend any insight onto what a legitimate psychedelic dose of LSD would be like. I think noobs would most likely bite on anything remotely psychoactive regardless what it is and assume it's LSD so it wouldn't really help them to take such a dose and if you take acid frequently you may as well just get a test kit rather than attempting to take doses that fall at or below the psychoactive threshold.

 

you're right, i'm more used to dealing with placebo and minutiae of psychedelic effects because of my personal experience and dosing habits, most people can't tell if what they took was 'really' LSD, i can feel doses that just feel like having a cup of coffee, but my body/mind is very attuned to little changes.

 

I was wondering when someone would bring this up.. Lol, see. I was being sarcastic. Because I've heard things like that from ate up dumbasses who sell research chems as LSD.

That shit was all two or three years ago. You know when the last time I took a shit load of diphenhydramine or dxm was? Probably about 2 years ago. I'm n ot near as dumb anymore, you have no idea the shit that I've learned about or experienced.