Dont like MDMA

Well if you dont like it fucker get the fuck out of this topic :auto: Ok guys i did pure mdma once in awhile ok you are extremely happy, rolling bla bla but something doesn't feel right. I feel like is has the same concept of coke and alcohol just getting wasted fucked up hedonistic experience. I am deeply sorry if i sounded like im judging someone im sorry DO much mdma as you want love its your preference you are still my brother or sister:2thumbsup: i just dont like it. The happiness at the moment of MDMA is present because of MDMA.. but on psychedelics when you are happy ITS REAL. All my friends are crazyy about rolling i just dont understand what's the big deal. I respect all of you and your experience with MDMA. What does make it so thrilling? raves have no difference than high school drunk parties with pop music? Sorry im a hater haters gotta hate i had blissful experiences with mdma i can't deny that but there is no meaning in the experience... or maybe i couldn't find it and MDMA is psychedelic some people say that i respect that but HOW can you compare a mescaline a shroom an acid experience with mdma its nothing similar at all.. Well this is a stupid thread anywayss

 

I keep having to justify these psychedelics for you lol.

First off, Different drugs appeal to different people. I find MDMA much closer to mescaline than I do alcohol/cocaine. MDMA has a somewhat similar chemical structure to mescaline and you do realize that with mescaline a general recommended psychedelic dose is usually around 300 + mgs? So keep that in mind. Mescaline at 100 mgs really would be pretty ordinary and many dose MDMA at that level. I do think MDMA is slightly more potent than Mescaline but still usually upwards of 200 + mgs is when it starts exhibiting more psychedelic effects.

If you broaden your definition of psychedelic (mind expanding) beyond drugs that simply make you hallucinate stuff then I do not see how one could not consider MDMA psycehdelic. MDMA expands the perceptions of touch and hearing beyond or at least comparable to any other psychedelic I've done and taste, smell and yes even vision at higher doses significantly as well. What takes it over the top in it's own unique way is the ability for it to make you open up with confidence while simultaneously softening the ego, decreasing hostility, creating new perceptions, and lifting the emotional guard that people maintain.

Now this argument which I have heard before I find just completely silly. How do you attribute the happiness or authenticity of one drug to the drug itself but attribute the happiness of other drugs to something 'real'? Both drugs are interacting with neurochemicals and in the case of say MDMA and LSD they are causing alterations in the brain that would not normally occur. Both of them affect serotonin too which is a neurotransmitter responsible for mood FYI. Perhaps MDMA doesn't create as much of a delusion about this fact as acid. I'd guess due to the fact that the comedown of MDMA can often be harsher than some other psychedelics it may creates this perception. If you can elaborate on why you feel this though I'd be interested in hearing...




As far as raves go, due to the music enhancement and boundless energy and tactile sensations MDMA elicits they can be truly spiritual or transformative events for some of us. I personally feel it's more difficult to have transcendent experience with the dubstep scene as the music doesn't seem to cater to eliciting the trance type states that house music and Trance music can for me. I'm sure there may be some dubstep fans that would disagree but I simply haven't seen the level of tribal communion with that scene that I have with some of the other forms of rave music. There can be some bonding with alcohol and dancing but MDMA creates a whole level of communion that many find on a very different level than that, not all raves are created equal but the really good raves with most everyone rolling can create an aura of communion that is more like a technological Peyote dance. Raves can be simply a good time too, if you enjoy the music you can appreciate some good djs/musicians as Simon Reynolds noted in his book Generation Ecstasy "MDMA did for house music what LSD did for Psychedelic Rock." There is certainly a level of hedonism with MDMA and raves as well but for many of us it can be a transformative experience every bit as meaningful as some of the other psychedelics.

 

guerillabedlam you ARE AMAZING!!! Thank you for all your feedback in the posts really educative and a good perspective keep it up i just created few threads to get to know the forum is there a way i can send you private message

 

Also would you agree the same concepts mentioned with MDMA also present in XTC? I know there are some additives in XTC other than pure MDMA is there a significant difference? Never done XTC only pure MDMA You are right it expands your senses as touching and hearing but its not a TRIP in my opinion It doesnt give you the taste of insanity enlightment You know what i mean the reality shatters... sometimes a glow lasting several days. I am a psytrance freak now im young 20years old i used to listen a lot of trance deep house like 3 4years ago but the are i live these kind of music is played at popular music clubs... I hate the scene also not many rollers around but there is some hardcore raving going on i MEAN really insane with dubstep drum and bass hardstyle etc which i must say not my cup of tea I like to trip with psytrance i love stuff like furious kindzadza psykovsky RUSSIAN MASTERS!! simply the best tune for tripping insane i feel like the MDMA is not affecting the psychedelics scene in a positive way i mean psytrance festivals MDMA for me is more like a YEAHH PUMPED UP!!! MDMA WHOOO THING which i dont like... Im 20years old attracted by psychedelics and the psytrance scene the new psychedelic movement is psytrance i love psychedelic rock but i missed those times But hey there is always new stuff going on

 

Ha Thanks!! I think you need a certain amount of posts before you can PM, maybe close to 30 posts or something?

I'm really into psytrance as well, have even produced a couple tracks myself. XTC is pretty much the same as MDMA, if it is cut it generally will make you feel even more up. I had pretty good luck with XTC pills over the few years I explored it, certainly compared to what I hear reported on this site. The pills that I could tell were adulterated were often with other chems that only served to enhance the experience in my opinion. Seeking pure drugs is the best way to go obviously but there is some sort of guilty pleasure of taking an MDMA pill and getting a noticeably different effect than the previous roll. I did get some nasty piperazine though on my second to last roll which made me stop for a while with pills. If you can get pure MDMA, you can always just mix it with something else you desire if you want to flip or like some aspects of MDMA but don't feel it's psychedelic enough, better you can gauge the dosages that way too.

 

I don't dig the MDMA experience that much 2cb and MDMA is recommended though Not every substance is for everyone i guess its a matter of taste and there are millions of options out there. Also the thing i find with MDMA you don't roll harder when you do too much once i dropped 2capsules at home THANK GOD at home i wasn't able to walk my vision was like after sitting or lying you know when you get up instantly and everything turns black yeah like that! Nothing bad happened since i was home and lying actually it was pretty chill but lol that's not nice for sure

 

I don't know how much is 2 capsules for you but I plan on dosing 250 mgs for new years, hopefully with some beautiful lazers and people. I find I roll significantly harder 200 mgs and above, maybe not necessarily in a home setting as much but certainly with the sensory stimulation raves provide. I might get puddled (can't walk well) for about 20 mins but once Im able to ride my roll, my motor coordination is excellent on MDMA, I've actually learned how to dance and explore new movements while rolling.

 

250mg 125each there were some black dots in the crystals which made me what the hell are these but i took them anyway and that happened. Also consider that i have no tolerance for MDMA really rare roller once in 6months or so

 

Probably some impurities that did not get washed. When cooking MDMA you will actually loose some weight from the end product by purifying it. Plus it's extra time when you already have good product, so allot of chemists don't bother.

 

I LOVE MDMA! Without a doubt, it's the chemical I did the most in my life. I really dig the stuff, it's pure love, pleasure and fun in gel caps, what else may I ask for? Different folks different strokes I guess, but I really enjoy it. I couldn't care less about coke or alcohol, never loved those, but give me MDMA any time.

I agree with GB about the bonding factor, MDMA really helped me open up emotionally to other people, plus have more empathy and consideration for them. Raves are the best place to roll according to me: good music playing on a top notch sound system, tons of people around, space to dance, cozy couches, lasers, trippy decoration, and whatnot. The music has changed a lot along the years, but the good vibe is still there. At my first events it was mostly jungle (yes, "jungle", it wasn't called drum'n'bass back then), epic trance and acid house, now there's a lot of dubstep, psytrance and drum'n'bass playing. It's still fun, though.

 

Hehehe well your username says it all bassline i have been to montreal psytrance scene lovely crowd and spirit Maybe ill see you there someday

 

I sort of agree with you Xip, I think MDMA is definitely the most recreational psychedelic by far . . . it's certainly the one the least likely to bitch slap you and the most likely to get along GREAT with parties, alcohol, etc. The happiness can feel "pushy" and I've even heard it described as "fake", which I sort of see, I mean it can seem that way with how quickly the peak can disappear and suddenly you're coming down, you realize you were very much "on a drug", I think this has more to do with the timing involved though, if MDMA lasted 6-8 hours like mushrooms or 8-12 hours like LSD we might feel it's more "real".

Also there's a lot more drug abuse around MDMA than other classic psychedelics, the whole culture of snorting it, bumping it in clubs, injecting it, the physical locations where it is encouraged like raves etc . . . all that has connotations.

But if you can take it for what it is, and do your best to respect it and yourself it can change your life very much. Or it can just give you an AMAZING night.

 

The reason i called it fake and compared with other psychedelic experiences is because when tripping on shrooms acid I cry because of happiness its not because of Acid or shrooms its because you understand the beauty, appreciate it and feel the interconnectedness all the energy of love flowing through you its a discovery!! But with MDMA just pop it WOW EVERYTHING IS BEAUTIFUL! It can be a good experience but not something i would do maybe once twice a year if my friends wants a lot

 

I don't follow the discrepancy you made but it must be more of a personal response.

 

I've fallen into several deep long-term relationships as part of mdma experiences. That seems real to me. But I dig what you're saying about psychedelics. For me, at least, healing, life-changing.

Here's a little psytrance for your listening pleasure: https://soundcloud.com/eckoe/drift

 

Good uplifting project man i appreciate it!!!

 

agree with bassline 100% m over anything but pot n lsd. one thing that got me lovin it, is that through a mad smackout sometimes you wig the fuck out. example, at a rave a white lazer stayed in one spot on the floor, i looked at it for abit, then took me a couple seconds to relize it was a iphone on the ground and someone was ringing it,, ran over go to pick it up n i was picking up air. thinkin to myself now wtf why cant i get this phone, came to my senses and saw it was a fuckin lazer...

 

meh, i'm more of a tripper than this sort of thing. it doesn't really appeal to me sometimes.

 

Reach for the Lazers! Safe as Fuck!

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