What's Obama's true agenda?

StpLSD25, for someone with an anonymous mask as an avatar, you seem awfully conservative.

 

I'm not. I'm just economically conservative. I'm socially liberal, because I believe in gay marriage and peoples right to choose what they want to ingest. But I want a small government, and in that way, I'm right on the political spectrum.


I don't trust government, I never call the cops. Because I feel as though, they always make things worse. Well, I feel the same way about the government as a whole.

They take over the schools, our kids get an awful education, and they claim we need "more government," to fix it. I just don't buy that crap.

I don't think capitalism itself is our problem, however, government changing laws and regulations to benefit certain businesses, bailing out HUGE banks and financial industries and, manipulating the economy as they see fit, is our real problem.

Throwing more money at these Politicians and Lawmakers isn't going to do anything. People are so ignorant to protest things like "TAX ME MORE." It's not some charity program, it's really as bad as it sounds. The government's just going to WASTE that money on a stupid program, it's not a charity; it is the governments spending/wasting money. To me, Liberals are asking for more of that. That's why I feel how I do.

People should keep their money. It would go much further in the hands of consumers, because they buy products, invest and, give it to charities. Government doesn't do that.

 

Then you should have hated Bush, right?

 

I did. I really hated Bush.

But now I feel the same way about Obama...

 

I do understand that Obama's plan means we could be up to 25 trillion in debt by the end of his term. Sometimes, I wonder if perhaps he knows what is better for this country than anyone else, and then I think.....hell, if America is going to learn anything, it has to be the hardest way possible. This country is not the best. Has not been in a very long time. Does that mean we have to destroy it? Perhaps, it does, because it would put things into perspective.

 

it's not that difficult to know what the elites are thinking. and they really do believe the planet is overcrowded and we have finite amount of resources. i happen to agree with them. it's just a matter of how do we address the problem. do we allow physician assisted suicide, do we help people kill themselves. or do we start world war three and flee to the southern hemisphere while the northern is radiated? what's the best path to choose. it's too bad because the globalists are all bonkers nuts and really hate humanity so much they will probably either start world war 3 or just release bioweapons to kill off populations. or both.

 

I think Obama is just doing what he is told to do by the banksters, just as most of the Presidents before him. The Georgia Guidstones call for a world popluation of under 500 million, meaning the vultures are going to feast. Through all of this, one thing I know for sure - Cherokee Nation will survive, as we have always managed even through the Holocaust of 1838, and the Trail of Tears. We live close to the Earth, and Nature will provide for her children.

 

All I have to say is, there is state government and then there is federal government, each which fucks up the country in their own way. The reason cops are the way they are is because of people like you who don't bother to call. If more and more people annoyed the crap out of 911 during an emergency, a lot more can be done.

and how is capitalism not the problem when you contradict yourself and say it is?

 

and correct me if I am wrong but wasnt bush able to pass some bill when he was in power that allowed presidents to do crap without the consent of congress especially during war time? I thought I read about it years ago

 

The things that I mentioned, aren't capitalism. Capitalism is like, you start a business, people like your product and so you sell products and making money. If you go bankrupt, it's not anyone's fault but your own, and you should deal with those repercussions due to your malinvestments. The Government playing God with the Economy, isn't capitalism either; In capitalism, the consumers regulate the economy, not businessmen in dark rooms.

 

How appropriate the final phase of the plan is being implemented under the stewardship of an african american president, who by right is obliged to tear this mother down after 300 years of slavery and white oppression of the black man




hotwater

 

I remember you saying. I remember asking where abouts in Agenda 21 it says that. And also the bit about the only solution being genocide. Never did get back to me : / I can imagine Agenda 21 stating in say 1997 America is environmentally unsustainable - given the state of the environment at the time. It still seems to think so. http://www.voanews.com/content/un-h...nt-of-environment-unstustainable/1204153.html
Do you think that is wrong?


If you think the UN is part of the NWO - I don't see much to worry about. You'd prefer the old world order?

 

I'm beginning to think there is no "agenda" beyond greed and psychopathy - which is more like a force of "un"nature. It's a comforting thought to imagine some shadowy group plotting to undermine freedom and justice - comforting because it provides a target, a place to focus our fear, dismay, anger and frustration - comforting because it puts a face or a name to something that feels wrong somewhere deep inside all of us, newly discovered or felt by some of us, but not unique to any of "us" throughout the scope of human history (or pre-history for that matter). To some of us that face is religion, or politics, or authority figures, or secret societies - but the more I look into all of this, the more I get the feeling that it's really just all of us, out to serve and preserve our own self interests and egos. Are we really at the mercy of our oppressors? Or do we just lack the courage and discipline to stop participating in the systems that we find oppressive? What is this "national debt"? Is it real or is it numbers on some digital tally somewhere? When did we agree to have a credit score and for what purpose and to whom does it make us worthy/unworthy of credit? Why do we need credit? Do you remember being asked at any point in your life if you wanted to participate in this system? What would happen if you suddenly decided to opt out? How can/does legislation really determine your actual ability to purchase and own an assault rifle? I mean, if you wanted one badly enough, wouldn't you find a way to buy one, or even manufacture one yourself? What if the king's men came to take your guns? Who, and with what, will the king's men be paid if there is no income to tax? Food? Who is going to raise the crop. Land? Who is going to guard the land against trespass and intrusion? They're counting on you and me (whoever the hell "they" are). What if you said "no". How many prisons does it take to contain an entire society? How many guards to suppress such an uprising? Are there enough assault rifles, drone bombers, nuclear weapons on the planet to put down a truly global uprising? Every system of government or oppressive regime in the world could be brought to an end in less than 1 minute - all that is requred is a majority of us to stop what we are currently doing, this minute and do. say and consume nothing until the whole machine grinds to a stop. It would take 1 minute.

After that, we simply refuse to start the machine again. We do something different, but we think it through before we start doing anything again. We think it through as far as our minds will let us, which isn't nearly far enough. We do nothing until we think it through and agree to do one single thing, universally. Millions would die as a result, but that number pales in comparison to the billions that will suffer and die for decades to come, as a result of any course of action we will take in the next minute, beyond stopping, this instant, emptying our hands, dropping what we're doing this very instant, and doing NOTHING for one solitary minute. Yes, it's impossible. Because WE, all of us, MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE. Why? Because I care more about me and mine than I do you and yours, and I, as a human being, am incapable of "WE".

 

It's actually both. but hey I really don't give a crap, you think of capitalism how ever way you want. I'll just keep going on my own capitalists ways :2thumbsup:

 

If you don't see the bad in the UN, then you don't disagree with what's essentially bullying other littler nations, stealing their opium and oil under the guise of "fighter terror." While taking away peoples Human Rights, in their own respective countries.

Agenda 21 says GOLFING is unsustainable. Do you like having a backyard? Unsustainable...

There are plenty of people who can cite direct verses in the text, but I'm not one of them. Here, watch this.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/un_agenda_21_coming_to_a_neigh.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_juUVKKBw-k

 

Watch this. This is how I see the establishment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5dnqXtKq_M&feature=player_embedded"]Ron Paul: Americans Have Been Indoctrinated to Accept Big Government - YouTube

 

What oil has been stolen? What rights have been taken? Please try and quote the source, too (rather than make unsubstantiated claims - it helps).

When do you think the world (not just the US and the UK) was deemed 'unsustainable'? 2012?2005?1997? The point is, it wasn't lately. Have you still got a backyard? I have. It's all very well saying such things, but look at the real world. We have backyards, and I don't see them disappearing any time soon.

I think it fair to actually know the text that you supposedly quote, to see if it is actually true or false - and to see the context it is in. Especially if you throw around words like 'genocide'.

 

@StpLSD25
Seriously, what oil has been stolen? hell, what opium has been stolen?
Since when has the UN been bullying small countries?

The way I see it, you believe every single bull shit blog out there in the internet. Instead of being blind from actual facts, go out there and learn the truth. Even visiting the small countries that are being "bullied" will may you think differently. The world isn't as evil as it seems. The world just have stupid leaders making mistakes. And sometimes, what you see is evil, will actually be good for the whole population.

The truth is all around you, not just on the internet.

I'm not saying I support our government, I am saying, get your facts straight.
Take capitalism for example. The way you described it, is the way many people think capitalism is, but like every economic philosophy, it must change in order to work properly in a modern society because, after all, it is just a philosophy.

 

If the establishment does not include corporate interests (along with government) you have an incomplete picture of the establishment.

 

Maybe the NWO could prevent half the food produced being wasted : /