Fixing People

Do you think that a group/society can fix people?

For instance, send rapists to therapy - they can be fixed.

 

Well to do so you have to completely take away their individualism and judge or class them to have the exact moral values that you hold yourself. That itself is uncool.

 

The reason I say this is because there is some "talk" in my state about sending teachers to training in order to be able to classify a "mentally disturbed" student that may or may not shoot up a school.

This, in my eyes, is along the same lines of sending rapists to therapy in order for them to become non-rapists.

 

No, I believe that some people are too damaged. They were born that way.

 

Geeze it's a bit harsh to call someone too damaged from birth when they commit the crime 20+ years later.

May as well blame the mother for breeding rapist genes.

 

Send them to psychiatrist Dr. Johnson, The Rapist.

Pardon. I meant Dr. Johnson, Therapist.

 

Training teachers to flag someone as high-risk isn't the same as fixing rapists.

These kids who shoot up schools need help before they break down, it's a bit late to analyze them after they are dead.

 

I posted that in response to the op, the other posts weren't on my screen yet.

I don't blame parents for breeding rape genes, but rapists, pedophiles, serial killer, etc, are born damaged imo.
They can't be fixed.

A kid who shoots up a school was a manufactured monster. They cried out for help and found none.

 

I apologize, what I meant in that was trying to fix homicidal people is the same as trying to fix rapists.

If you have something engraved deep enough into your psychii, there is no hope in my opinion.

And I agree that some people are born that way.

My brother is a fucking asshole...and I wholeheartedly believe he was born that way.

 

some could probably be fixed with therapy

im 100% in support of them getting therapy while theyre in jail serving long long sentences

 

I think anybody can be 'fixed', as y'all put it. Redemption is above no one. Though it can't be forced; they'd have to be willing to at least some extent, and that's where the problem is.

 

And I guess all the old aged serial killers just wanted to wait 50 or so years before they started? Because they were thinking about it when they were born?

Considering spree shooters tend to methodically think through what they're doing, who's to say they haven't been fantasizing about it for years? Most of them are, most of them admit it. I don't really see a difference. It takes just as much.. or little empathy or motive to stab someone than it takes to shoot them.

Damaged from birth? That's just an excuse.

 

Wow, I don't really know what to say. If you're a kid and shoot up the place it's societies fault and if someone gets drunk and sleeps with a drunk woman and she doesn't remember so cries rape you were born that way

 

I do agree that some people are born that way. Not all of them, but some people are born fucked - from day 1.

Its like if you are a very sweet and caring person - that's not something you LEARN to be..I, for instance, can't just flip a switch and become caring and sweet. I was born with a temper...I had a temper as a kid.

Some people are just born fucked up.

 

I would feel the same way, except there were a few local cases recently where rapists got out of jail and within a few months were back in court for diddling another kid...

 

Fixing doesn't sound right to me, I don't believe you can fix a person - rather the person has to want or feel the need to change. Also it's a case by case thing except for drug addiction because I doubt most people that commit rape or murder do so for the sake of raping/murdering - probably an opportunistic fail in judgement (in most cases).

 

sure. google "castrato."

it's not along the same lines at all. sending rapists to therapy so they don't rape would be along the same lines as sending mentally disturbed students to therapy so they don't shoot up a school. or, sending teachers to learn how to identify mentally disturbed students is along the same lines as sending people to learn how to identify potential rapists. teaching normal people to see warning signs so that they are better equipped to try and prevent a tragedy is not the same as trying to change the disturbed person.

well, someone that is falsely accused of rape is not a rapist, but that doesn't mean there are no rapists out there.

but i'm not sure about that one either. i'm sure serial rapists are probably pretty much beyond repair, but i'm not convinced that rapes can't be one-time events that occur under extreme circumstances.

 

When did I say it was society's fault? A kid who shoots up the place was probably a normal kid once, and if someone had noticed that they were being bullied, or abused at home, maybe something could have been done to help that kid.

A guy who gets falsely accused of rape is a rapist? No. A guy who attacks a woman and drags her by the hair into an alley and rapes her and beats her nearly to death was probably born that way. Unless he was abused the same way and learned it. Either way, I believe that people who can do such evil things are too damaged to fix. Point of no return has been passed.

If you look at their pasts, you will find that they perhaps tried to be normal, but they did little things like kill cats, or peep in windows...it all escalates eventually when they can no longer control themselves. I have read a lot of true crime books.

 

Does anyone thank its crazy that all this happens at once, why?

 

Read my other post. I worded that wrong.

My concern about teaching these teachers to pick up on the warning signs means that teachers will start pinpointing every kid that acts "such and such" a way...regardless if the kid is nuts or not.