Believe what you wish, but I was there and partyed with Oswley as did several others who post here and in FB and lived the acid test instead of just reading about it and and know the truth first hand.
I took mega dose's of LSD-25 back in the middle to late 60s.. and a few times in the 70s It did not kill me. If you tripped with the right ppl/frame of mind you could find your way back. I knew a lot of ppl that tripped hard and heavy but I never heard of LSD-25 killing anyone.. they might kill themselves but not the chemical itself doing it. I saw a lot in my time. ya just can't generalize. It's a personal thing, the mental fortitude. I was there and know Ranger, he don't have to make shit up, the truth is strange enough. If ya wanna ask Sag about it he's in Hip.... ppl are so funny, how they thnk they know something but only heard about it.. when you get out and start living life you learn more then just reading about it.. try it sometime, I bet you'll get it then.. peace and love sh
Well many people are quite different, especially for a while, after big doses. I've read stories that I tend to believe about dramatic personal changes, reality being entirely blotted out and an inability to do anything but lie in bed with sitters, etc. I would tend to think, even with today's smaller doses, that the ceiling is at least several times what leary suggested, though of course, that probably does depend on individual brain chemestry. And a lot of things used to go around as... a lot of things. (and still do, like nowadays if you tried to do a thumbprint and had 25x nbome, you could totally think you did one and have the trip plus placebo, but only have done an averade dose, even though it can also still fit a whole dose on blotter) Maybe it was a baggie of DOM, and it made you trip and it was after the legal cutoff and all acid was street acid, so they just called it "acid"? Then a long trip would be expected, and his dose would have been right in the sweet spot. There's a cool thread on thumbprints that I generally mostly believe, on shroomery. I think the op is called china cat or something like that. The organic farmer story is cool. But there is totally a bunch of lore about it, and the people who where there often are not as reliable as you might hope.... after all, we're talking about psychedelic drugs, if the ceiling was 300 mcg, they'd never know, suggestion plus saturation would be enough to make you believe anything. The person who's the most reliable who's had the biggest dose, that I know of, is writer, who I think has taken a strip, or it's equivilent (maybe accidentally, I don't remember)
Timothy Leary suggests 200-500 ugs LSD as a sufficient transcendent dose in The Psychedelic Experience guide and nowhere there does it mention anything regarding that being a saturation ceiling. With a gallon of LSD, I'd probably take some, gift some, sell some.
Ranger's story is true. My experience enabled me to know the real from the street. The only side effect was i wasn't the ass on it that i was off it.
Did either of you read the article? Seriously, why would you or your friends be able to take huge multi-milligram doses and NOT suffer the same physiological problems that EVERY PERSON mentioned had???? Doesn't have shit to do with having the right set and setting or the right people around you when you are talking about the PHYSIOLOGICAL REACTION to such huge doses. The highest dose I personally have done with actually knowing the strength was 900ugs. I may have done larger doses without knowing for certain. I honestly don't remember that great of a difference in effect or duration over 400-500ugs. That was back in the late '70's when I was helping spread the love in liquid form . So Shameless, I have been out and lived and all that, but I also read and research and go with fact over fallacy. Everybodies different but it is logical that there would be an upper limit regardless of personal differences, the same as the physiological effects of massive doses. Doesn't matter how experienced you are with LSD, if you take a massive amount as the people in those medical records did, you will suffer the same ill effects. There is one suspected overdose death directly related to LSD. The estimate is that he injected about 325 milligrams or around 3000 hits worth or about 1/3 of a gram. So can you understand why I find it difficult to believe when you say you know someone who ate about a gram and lived. The reason why LSD is considered so safe is because the difference between the effective dose and the lethal dose is so astronomical that you have to very determined and not that smart to OD and die from it, or do it by accident.
I never said a large dose experience can't leave you fucked in the head for a while, just that the actual duration of the LSD effects wear off within 12-14 hours. Every clinical or research work I have ever seen about LSD all say the same thing concerning duration and it is not dose dependent. The quality and depth or nature of the experience is very dose dependent, but duration seems to be a straight up timer countdown regardless of how much is taken. In the report I linked, every single one of those patients were released after 12 hours. If they were still tripping balls and not able to communicate, they would not have been released. And I hope we all already agree that it is not possible to "fry for weeks" by continuing to re-dose. Best I ever managed was about 3 days, then it was just pointless and a waste of material.
If at a high concentration, I would sell a good portion well under market value so that myself and my family were set for life financially. Then I would gift a large portion & keep enough to remain supplied for life. But that would depend on the concentration :afro:
You obviously never took any psychedelics. Are you actually capable of doing things inside your mind which are same as on drugs? I can imagine I am eating a sandwich but it doesn't mean I am eating it.
Try telling me this after you've had a DMT experience. I'd hardy refer to LSD as a 'chemical crowbar'. Implying damage where damage is not seen. LSD is very beneficial, as MAPS has discovered in using it to treat mental disorders. Along with MDMA and Psilocybin.
It's supposed to be possible to reach levels past where drugs will take you, but it requires years of training and most can't get there. I suppose very few may have a disposition to be able to get there earlier / on their own. However, I struggle to believe themnax... lol
Seriously..."there is nothing you can do with neurochemestry that can't be done better with computer generated visual special effects" Say that again after you see the four sides of the eternal triangle.
Computer visuals are not even close to a psychedelic trip. Just like playing a racing game on a tv is nothing like driving a real car anywhere in the world. That or the person didn't trip hard enough or it wasn't strong enough
The cool thing about psychedelics other than computer generated visuals is the way they are individualized to the viewer. Computers can't synthesize the totality of the human brain.
This is so true. Psychedelic art has never portrayed my heaviest psychedelic drug trips. I haven't done DMT but I am about to do an extraction myself if I cannot find anyone to get it from. From the descriptions I've read and heard about the DMT trip, you absolutely cannot re-create that experience in a photo or movie or song, nothing. It is so intense and so incredibly unique, in itself and to each person, that you simply can't just whip up those experiences with some software and expect to be close at all. The one sober activity that I've found that produces fairly intense visuals and auditory hallucinations is the Ganzfeld Experiment. I highly suggest this to anyone looking to alter their reality for a short time, with patience and undisturbed, without having to take anything they don't feel comfortable taking.