Abortion, (esp live birth abortions..)

Sorry but, to me, I am more important than a little bundle of cells. You will type out yet another novel about why I'm wrong, I know. Be warned, I don't care.

ANYWAY...

If you want to solve world hunger, convince people to start eating insects and other bugs. At this point, they are one of the VERY few ways that we have of continuing to afford to feed (financially and environmentally) our staggering population. If people would get over their silly little heebie jeebies and taboos. We can solve world hunger, but people will not want it solved this way despite how nutritious bugs are, and how they can be made to taste quite pleasant. Since every single one of us eats bugs already pretty much every single meal, it's not even a big leap.

 

I concur.

 

Both of you fucked up (You and the pregnant woman).

Grieve.

Learn your lesson.

Do better (use birth control).

Carry on.

THE END

 

...not trying to side with anyone, I just want to say, that on some level- she probably feels the hurt too. I don't think any woman has went through this and not hurt emotionally, even in the smallest way.

 

Apparently some bundle of cells are better than others, because they got a chance to live. And GG, unwanted babies don't end up in one of the 5 scenarios you presented. I believe my mom and dad had two unwanted babies.

 

Of course not all end up in that situation...... but most will or end up from broken homes.

Esp the low income scenario

boy meets girl have sex and whamo!! Now it really also depends where you sit in the social ladder as well as far as outcomes go as well.

So option 1) they stay together for the baby and surprising make it work. These cases are rare.

2) They try playing house and fail, end up in debt failed marriage fighting over a child....or 2 by now and miserable thinking what if's.

3) Boy finds out girl knocked up and runs away......... girl left raising baby on her own fighting day to day.


Sometimes when people get pregnant they look at the bigger picture of what they can provide for the baby. And they decide that it isn't right to bring a life in the world where they struggle to pay bills and put food in their own mouths. Paying rent is a struggle. How would they care for a baby?

And don't say adoption there are too many kids in that system who never know a family or get shuffled around and no real connection.

So while it's hard choice sometimes it is the best choice.

 

Precisely. I do become tired of hearing the there's always adoption argument, because as you have just stated there are already too many kids in the system that never experience family. Indeed, sometimes abortion is the best choice in an already overpopulated world.

 

Years ago my girlfriend had an abortion because I was a raging alcoholic and so was she. She was also a few months away from becoming a out of control junkie in which she later died of an over dose. Seemed like the right thing to do at the time

 

You do very clearly have some serious emotional problems, if you ever looked at abortion like that. You sound like those christians who explain that they know how you feel, because at one time they hated god so much, that they decided to be atheist :coffee:



Because something is "alive" does not mean it inherently has "rights", or anything like that.

Also, I don't know what a live birth abortion is, but late term abortions in general are obviously really bad, and bordering on murer if there's no medical reason. So sure, it's murder..... what's your point?

 

That's true too.

I've read all your posts, but I don't really want to say anything else right now. I do need time to grieve. You guys can discuss it among yourself. I already know who disagrees with me (nearly everyone)

 

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That is a brave post! Not many people would be bold and honest enough to tell that story. It's a perfect example of why we don't need the government making these decisions for other people.

 

I don't, entirely.

I think that the man should have an equal say in abortion, if he desires it, and have the right to move to block it, or even to move for it. Why? The woman would have to carry (or not) the child, but once that's over, he's a parent, with emotional, monetary, and time-related responsibilities. The woman is not inherently some sort of victim of her own actions (obviously we're not talking about rape now), and parents should be equal with equal rights, if there's a pregnancy it is the flesh of both parents, and it's not right for a woman to have no responsibility to the man, and to have all the power, by no token besides her luck of the draw to not be born with a penis.

But, with that take, it doesn't matter if she says not to use a condom or something, it's YOUR responsibility too, as it is if she says be irresponsible and you say sure, it's pretty awkward for you to suddenly want responsibility and say. Unless you two had discussed it and considered a child an acceptable outcome, then she's pretty fucked up.

 

Well, the responsibility never bothered me! I dated a girl for a few years, with a 1 year old daughter, I know it's not hard to take care of babies. It was just that it was so awkward cause she has a husband, and I didn't want her to try to get child support. But had I known she didn't want the responsibility, I would've told her to let me take the baby!!! Adoption, or living with his/her daddy is better than killing it. Especially since it was essentially a baby, as I said, they come out crying and everything during live birth abortions. It's fucked up she did it that way.

I def. agree with you about parents having equal rights. I didn't think she believed in abortions, because she was telling me about all her other damn kids. But yeah. There's nothing I can do about it now, except grieve and morally disagree.

 

Can you provide a link to an article saying that these are taking place now? I find it hard to believe. What you describe is called infanticide. I don't think that has ever been legal anywhere. In the US, full legal rights begin at birth.

 

The abortion argument is an argument of morality. I don't think the federal government should have any control over what our moral values are or should be.

If I had it my way, there would be a Federal limit outlawing live/partial birth abortions. And then let each state decide by popular vote whether or not they want to outlaw anything else.

Does that mean I'm pro-choice? I'm not sure, because on a personal level I agree with the OP. I do think abortion is murder, that is my moral code. But to enforce my moral code on anyone else is to take away their liberty.

Pro-lifers also need to understand that outlawing abortion doesn't end abortion. What it does is send women to these "back alley abortionists" that will be there to take advantage of them.

 

yeah, okay. A baby is an ass-kicker, to be honest. They turn your entire life upside down. Its entirely different being the boyfriend of a mother and being either the sole person responsible or one of two people responsible.

My boyfriend is as involved in our child's life as a daddy can possibly be..I've heard a lot of women complain about how their partners don't shoulder enough of the responsibility, even if they are raising the child together. I don't have that problem. But even with his level of involvement, I still shoulder probably 75% of the responsibility. I'm the one losing sleep, getting him ready in the morning, nursing him to sleep at night, handling doctor's visits, etc etc...

That may be irrevelent to this thread but don't be silly and say that taking care of a baby is easy. I'm not sure you realize the reality of the situation if you think that.

With that said, I do understand where you are coming from. Take time to grieve, you're entitled to it.

 

The word choice, doesn't mean its the right choice.

Abortion is murder. Would you stand and watch it take place? Would you beable to view it as the best decision if you were there, watching an unborn human being get sucked out of the womb that it called home and either dying instantly or very soon after? Seriously, looking at an unborn child as a ball of cells is ridiculous when you yourself are made up of cells. They have beating hearts, tiny forming bodies, it is no ones decision to take away someones oppurtunity to live.

The after math can be very damaging also, everyone I know who has had an abortion has regretted it almost instantly, its something that can not be reversed and its becoming all to common.

I was 17 when I fell pregnant, 'shameful' I know. But whilst crying and wondering what to do, my mum told me that the first question she was asked when pregnant with me was 'are you keeping it or getting rid of it'. That hit me so god damned hard, these are human lives we are talking about, and the thought that my mum could have aborted me, made me realise that, although I'm just another person and nothing special, I'm still a life, and all life is precious.

 

Yes!!! What planet does somebody have to be from to understand that there are real people who disagree with your point of view on this subject? We are not joking!

My gynecologist is a warm, caring, thoughtful individual who actually performs abortions.

 

From your now closed thread "I may have inadvertently impregnated my sisters best friend."

Stop talking shit. It's sickening.

 

Well, I was one of two people taking care of the baby. The father died before the baby was even born of a cocaine overdose, so it was always just the three of us, and we lived together in NY. The babies mom would get very irritated sometimes, and would say stuff like "She's trying to fuck with my head!" So I'd tell her to relax, and that I got it. You're right, I didn't mean it's a breeze to take care of babies, but at first there's really only one of a few things they want. And after that, in later years, you live and learn, and help them grow as individuals. I'm 24 years old and quite patent, so really I am physically and mentally capable of taking care of a child.