Timothy Leary and LSD !

Leary caused Fukishima. Obviously.

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/forumdisplay.php?f=420

 

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I already said I was dubious when Voyage claimed they had these mass differences in approach, you saying it doesn't make me any more apt to change my mind.

They both promoted the idea of psychedelic research and psychedelic exploration. I've watched some vids since we started discussing this and from what I gather is that It seems Ram Dass may have differed from Leary with being as outspoken and rebellious as Leary was but Dass also didn't face the legal problems that Leary did. Here is a video below that from what I can tell highlights their friendship and a glimpse into showing that they did share some similar views.

Also whether Dass reported not to follow it or be against it from my understanding of Leary's "Drop Out" message, Dass practiced it. There is a moment in the video Dass talks about experincing the trip for himself which exemplifies Leary's drop out message.

Here is Leary describing his Turn on, Tune in, Drop out Message:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woSNSAEv_4k"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woSNSAEv_4k

 

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We're talking two different things here Guer. I wasn't referring to their promotion of research and exploration. Maybe that comment on the differences between the Keysey camp and the Millbrook folk muddied that, sorry.
What I was mentioning was that RD felt it best to lay low, work within the "establishment" (system) and take the high road. Leary believed the opposite. It was and is different approaches with the same values in mind.

And that's a good illustration. For two people identified as partners from the early days, there's a reason the govt went after Leary and not RD. In the clip you posted I think RD even said he'd never even been arrested.

Maybe my drop out comment came out wrong too. I've heard and read Leary explain what that quote meant. With that post, it's easy to see that he advocated working outside the establishment, the system, the mainstream. That's not a flawed concept, there's much to be admired in the ideal. But the fact remains that his outspokenness, his style of promoting alternative ways of living and the way he went about it, brought all that shit down on him.

It's just like Daniel Ellsburg or Brad Manning. Hat's off to the spirit of what they were doing, but no one should be surprised when one pokes a sleeping monster and he then wakes up and eats you.

Still the wrong thread dude.

 

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What you quoted as Dass's position really doesn't have much to do with LSD. From the info I've gathered sure they led different lifestyles, Dass stopped exploring LSD and departed from the hippie movement in 1967 as where Leary continued to press on, but I dunno I don't really get the impression in that video blip of Dass leading that group meditation session in the park from the 60's that he saw LSD solely as to be worked on from within the establishment.

That was what you stated, I'm not sure how else you can interpret that sentence.

 

I was typing too fast and mixed up meanings. When I get back I'll try to find a clip or the vid that I mentioned. We're talking about two different things bud, that's the mixup. :love:

 

It's not about a debate or attack to change your mind. Maybe changing the paradigm to sharing, instead of winning some unwinnable difference of opinion might help.

http://blogs.plos.org/neurotribes/2...-the-world-the-learyginsberg-acid-conspiracy/

It's not an attack, nor making shit up to rile you.
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Then why quote me there? It is about debate. The link has nothing to do with what we were discussing. If I were to draw any parallels to what I was responding to which was Leary and Dass, science to spirituality is the exact same damn path Dass took lol, so if anything it further reaffirms my stance.

I get the impression that you just don't like Timothy Leary, which is whatever, but quoting me on a specific argument and then responding with these unrelated fallacious Red herring arguments makes it difficult for me to follow any point of substance you are attempting to make.










I should've waited to read that link though as I was about to dose some acid today and that link kind of made me feel blah about it today.

 

Right. That's your impression. No matter what I say.

You won't find one quote of mine saying I "just don't like Timothy Leary". Maybe you should read back to the first page where Kesey, Leary and RD were brought into the thread.

But nevermind.

Sorry to bum your day, truly, you really shouldn't invest that much in our back and forth. But, eh. I'm done dude. Whatever your anger thing is, whatever fight you're looking for, I hope it all works out for the best and wish you all good things in life.

 

I'm not looking for a fight, I'm trying to make you realize that it's difficult to follow your arguments at times because you tend to stray from the debate (or whatever euphemism you want to use in lieu of debate). If you take issue with that or feel a hostile sense of confrontation coming from me, then I guess the simplest way to avoid that is don't quote me but thanks for the good wishes.

I thought spending time to read what you post and link was being courteous... Day is fine just no acid involved.

 

I find this interview interesting, especially being on a public TV show.

ww.youtube.com/watch?v=sBpjUHKXNhI"]ww.youtube.com/watch?v=sBpjUHKXNhI

 

Right. Trying to make.

And if by debate you mean discussion, then you can read back to see how the debate evolved. Farther back than the last post in a pages long thread.
What "debate" do you have going on in your head? This is where it first "strayed"...

So I elaborated on that, but because I don't hold the exact same view of Leary...

Or maybe you just put your thoughts and feelings about people on others that don't deserve it...

When in reality I express opinions like this...

Oh and this...

Where did I get the word martyr... oh ya, from you. Cause I was listening.

Apparently this is the thing you had a problem with...

So ok, if you want to focus on exactly one point, then here you go. Take note at times 42:10 and 46:00 to 47:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaqJX-aP0Jc"]Albert Hofmann's Potion - LSD documentary - YouTube
Again, I don't make shit up just to ruin your day.
Apparently a few cats way smarter than you and I think the same thing about Leary. Sucks having heros deflated and made human, I know.

Thanks if that's really the spirit behind reading something. If I post with the intent of sharing, it matters not what anyone else does with it.
Threads here get derailed all the time. It's called discussion.

Go jump on the other 90% of members that are guilty of same.

 

Yah trying to have you understand because as I said, it's difficult to have a debate with you sometimes.

This Debate

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What about you? Go project your crap somewhere else.

 

chill out guys, professor Leary would have wanted us to love each other and work to spread the love of spiritual discovery, not fight over who likes or dislikes who

 

Yes - petty dislikes are irrelevant :sunny: