Reasons for believing (devils advocate)

I have faith that love shall never be ousted from our reality, and that if there is an end, or victor in good vs. evil, good will win. It goddamn well better, or I'll be really p'd off at someone/something/force/wave/energy, whatever, real pissed.

 

I lack the same faith- but I sincerly hope you're right.

 

Oh I'm right. I am infallible, and am very affronted by the inference that there is any chance I am not.......okay I am kidding. But I do feel strongly that it is all for the best, though not necessarily humankinds best. And I also feel strongly that good can never be beaten by evil, though it may look that way short term.

Here is a brief summation....he he he


Insofar as I have the exclusive communication line to the Almighty, I command you to change your personal spiritual beliefs immediately, and believe exactly whatever I decide is the correct interpretation of whichever one of the multitude of scriptures in the world that I, in my infinite and infallible reason, say is the ONE TRUE RELIGION.
If you refuse to join me and my most righteous mates, I am compelled to warn you that the most hideous tortures the worst criminal minds that have ever lived will be enacted upon your person for no less a period of time than a googleplex to the power of a googleplex millenia. That is a fairly long time, I might add. I am right and you are wrong, that is what I know for an indisputable fact is what the one true God wants.
So there.

 

And thusly shall all find contentment...

Except that poor slob geckopelli.

He shall die as the king of the discontent.

 

hey, look at the bright side........at least then you can likely get some rest.

 

Nah

Rest implies existance...
Death is not something that happens to you. It is the end of all happening.

We exist for a short time..then do not...just like everything else but reality itself.[that which alows existance]
Why do we think we have to have more of the thing we got for nothing.
Self interest and fear.
The two prime motivations of the human ego.
Thus self aware life is unique...It is the only thing that knows of and wants more of...existance.
It DISPUTES REALITY.

Occam

 

Work hard

Play hard
Sleep when you're dead.


No longer my motto.
Too hard on you

​

 

Just for fun, I think I will play the devil's advocate, defending God, which is an odd twist. If we could look into the origins of the concept of God, might it not come from man's desire to give a name to the unknown creator. If we left it at that I would have less trouble. Still, there is no reason why there needs to be a cause to every existence. I also think that, by definition, belief is supported by some reifying perception, and should be distinguished from faith, which perhaps is a better descrription of what those who "believe" in God are imagining.

 

If only we could all believe that our choice of what to believe is just our own best guess. Then, others choices would have no less meaning, and there would be no need to convert another to our way. The admission that I could be wrong opens the door for me to accept different views as being just as valid.

 

whoever wrote this is a whackjob

Nice criticism of the statement. I got a lot from what you said. Thank you for providing insightful criticism of BG's statement.

 

Blackguard

Well said my friend.
That is EXACTLY how human understanding works.

EVERYTHING
[*] each individual calls belief..is a best guess.
Some base their guesses on no method other than..'i want it to be true'
Some , like occam, base their guesses on methodology that he ego has no access to.
That method is very similar to scientific method.

Occam


[*] Except " i reason therefore i exist..and thus 'a' reality exists"

 

J Kerry

So you appreciate the 'whackjob' comment by kharakov on the post by Blackguard.
The post occam just responded to.

Blackguards post was more than just reasonable,,,It was insightfull.
And yes occam considers blackguard a friend...Yet if he said a thing occam did not agree with..he would know it.


Occam

 

J Kerry

And what is that?

Occam

 

Scepticism is, perhaps, the best attitude. As even our ideas, as copies of our perceptions, are not always identical. And memory is a source of many errors as well. Our present perceptions, which in the final analysis, is all we have that we can be sure of, is found at times to be less than its' objects. After all this, who can be sure of anything? But then total scepticism returns upon itself and is sceptical of that as well. So in the end, belief is something that we feel more strongly about as compared to the alternatives.

 

mati

Many call sceptics...cynics...
This is false.
SOME sceptics are cynics..But only some.

Occam is a sceptical optimist
That is.

Human beings Have a HUGE future...
As long as we dont believe our own bullshit.

Occam

 

I agree, but with the one change that I feel 99% of sceptics are cynics, and the optimistic sceptic is a rare one indeed. I feel I am one of these as well, since I am very sceptical towards the traditional, established line that the system says is the true fact of our history. A sceptic that uses critical thinking skills, along with compassion, to confirm what is being said to him is an uncommon sceptic. I doubted that the media and education system were giving me the total picture long ago, researched it to see if it held up to my inspection, and for the most part found that it did not. Scepticism is healthy, but only to a point.
It can also be damaging when expressed in a derogatory manner towards someone who is vulnerable to personal criticism, imho.

 

Blackguard

Agree..but would put sceptics who are cynics at 50 to 80% ..
Cannot agree with 99%... [based in life observation]

The media and eduction system exist to entertain and conform..
Not educate. [well maybe a wee bit]
Remember..Public education would not exist if industry did not go to government and say...[in the 19th century]
"These peasants are to ignorant to run our new machines. Give them a basic education so they can"

Believe it or not..That is how public education began.

Occam

 

scepticism is an important attitude for the scientific method. the doubting Tomas is, for me, a more preferred interpretation, suggesting the whole thing is psychological and within. Albeit it is still open to criticism for the delusional references.

 

Mati

The 'doubting thomas' is what the ignorant call a 'friend' that does not believe.

Emotion has quelled the base desire to eradicate the sceptic..By calling him one that may be re-converted to ignorance.
A doubting thomas, may once again be the 'faithfull'.

A sceptic however. Is one that can never be regressed to ignoance.

Occam

 

Occam,

Didn't the printing press have something to do with the begining of mass education?