Guns and Nazi Teabaggers

This is silly. Balbus, it's like I said, although guns are illegal in the UK, 40% of your gun related murders are COPS against CITIZENS. And since the citizens can't legally own guns, your cops must be shooting UNARMED citizens!!

That's what people like me don't want America becoming. We have a Republic government, this means we're protected by the rule of law. In the end, our government, the UN nor, Obama have the ability to take away our Second Amendment; and if they try, that will have been the last straw in many Americans eyes.

Registering your gun is another thing Americans are worried about, they think it's just a way of government keeping tabs on us, so if they do decide to take them, they'll know where to go.

The fact is, there are more guns than citizens in America. Those crazies would've found a way to kill people, even if it were with a knife or a fork.

Our streets are not as crime ridden as the medias propaganda would like to portray.

 

Where did you get that statistic from?

 

Off topic.

I address "problems" that are more immediate and hope others would do the same in their community. If they don't, well, that is on them. Doesn't change the fact that my community has problems of its own

Anything to keep your flawed theory alive, I suppose.

Again, I do not fear these things. I have said that repeatedly.

You mean the Marines? Did that straight out of high school. Been in the private sector ever since then.

I was offering up an example to counter your assertion that the middle class has some how seen its wealth shrink. That assertion is not true across the board.

I've given examples, all of which do not involve government trampling the rights of its citizens. You, for some reason, choose to not accept them.

I said nothing of the sort. I don't think more federal government action means a better society. More local action does.

I think many are, yes.

 

There's plenty of statistics that can fight for my side.

"According to the UN, the UK has the highest overall violent crime rate in the industrialized world."

That is to say, Criminals will always get guns on the black market, or through crooked cops or even just use a fork, knife or bat to kill someone. Criminals don't obey the laws, hence more "laws" to "stop crime," is counter productive.

 

Americans rarely ever cherish their freedom. They'll catch on and eventually hold them dear....when they're gone.

 

I'm not trying to say you are wrong. Although I think you are. I looked. I just found that, sadly, a lot of people have been shot and killed, and it had nothing to do with the police. This seems like a particular point, in a particular year - but not a fair reflection of the picture of gun crime regarding cops and citizens/citizens and citizens. Like I've said, I found approx 33 people have been shot by police since 1995, and approx 30-40 people are shot/killed a year in other circumstances.
The numbers just don't seem to add up.
Perhaps there are OTHER statistics that fight for your side, but this one? I'm not so sure.

How about in Britain, where there are also very strict gun control laws? In 2011, in England and Wales, there were 762,515 incidents of violent crime, so with a population of 56,100,000, that’s a rate of 1,359. That’s about three and a half times the rate of violent crime in the U.S.

http://www.jeremyrhammond.com/2013/...ate-of-violent-crime-in-industrialized-world/
Well, lets ignore the fact there are over 60 million people here - we are talking about gun crime.

If violent crime is so low in the US why is there an increase in gun ownership?
I suspect you will say that: more guns equals lower violent crimes.

My perspective is, guns seem to go off an awful lot in the US, and I don't think it's down to innocent folks defending themselves.

 

There has been an increase in gun ownership really since Barrack Obama has taken office, and I suspect it is because people are worried about the direction of this country, as am I.

I'm not trying to say Americans have no violent crime, but giving government officials a mutually exclusive right to own guns, just causes perhaps crazy government officials to have more power than say, a regular joe protecting his home!

As I said, crazy and violent people aren't crazy and violent because they're holding a weapon! A Police officer is just as likely to go crazy as your advrage joe, therefore, it doesn't protect us to distribute guns as the government sees fit! (Let's not forget the American government hides people who have commited war crimes, murders and rapes from public scrutany.)

Americans are not as willing to accept over bearing government, like you guys are out there! That's the reason why a majority of us oppose gun control, and perhaps why America is more "Right-winged" than the UK.

But the same day that school shooting was happening, a guy stabbed 20 kids to death in China, and no body got the message!!

Murderers will kill with a STICK. Gun control is not going to raise or lower violent crimes, and bad guys will STILL get guns. (Esp the mexican drug cartel) Then, each and every American would be subservient to some Mexican drug lord, or some COP, just cause he had a gun! (And cops can still be crazy.)

This is why Americans should not give up the right to bear arms, as the government can't be trusted.

 

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx

Well, there seems to be an increase in gun ownership with East coast Democrat voting women. Which is a little bizarre.

You were trying to say gun ownership is a good thing because cops are killing a high proportion of people - they were the real threat. Well, that's what the UK picture looked like, and you did not want it to go that way in the US. I'm yet to see that being shown to be true.

I am only really trying to point out where I think your rhetoric is wrong, rather than to persuade you to change your stance on your own gun ownership.

 

I'm not the one with rhetoric. Liberals have the rhetoric. That statistic (40%) I found on wikipedia, it may not have been entirely accurate (idk I'm not from the UK,) but it's entirely regardless; The US government is not trust WORTHY, (I know you in Brittan love the government, and love giving them lots and lots of personal information,) but the US government is an intrusive force, that kicks in doors, scares the hell out of children and, shoots the family dogs over some "dirty marijauna pipes."

Personally, I don't believe in ANY type of government force, unless it is an equally opposing force. The American government has released murderers from prison defends criminals who rape and kill in Iraq and, in hurricane Katrina (After they disarmed the populace) women were being RAPED by gun-toting soldiers. So honestly, it's unwise to trust the government to be the ONLY force allowed to carry guns. I trust myself (certainly) more than the US government, thusly, I'd trust a gun in my hands more so than a police officer and that's that.

I know you're not trying to change my mind; it's totally impossible. I don't trust the government to protect me! Hell! I don't even trust the US government to not HURT me!

 

Good point.

Then you won't mind not having a gun, you can defend yourself with a knife or a fork.

No? Didn't think so. Guns kill lots of people, quickly, with little need for skill, brains, practice, sanity, or anything else really. These things are all needed in abundance for the responsible use of a gun, but not at all for the irresponsible use of a gun. If you have a crazy guy with a knife, he's not particularly deadly, compared to a crazy guy with a gun.

I'm not saying to take guns. I'm saying your nuts and you use strawman arguments.

 

Did anyone else hear something?

 

The first gun control laws ever legislated in America were pushed by the KKK to keep newly freed slaves and all blacks from owning guns, so they could terrorize black families and households without risking being shot at.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/02/gun-control-was-historically-about-represssing-blacks.html

 

It doesn't matter if you are not from the UK - you have the same means of finding out if something is accurate or not. Didn't you think as you were typing it out it didn't seem like it was true?
Do you not care if what you say has some basis in fact or not?
I guess you think you can crap all over the UK because you don't live here.

Is that true? How do you know that is true? I guess it doesn't really matter if it is true or not - you are not from the UK are you, so who cares?

I don't think any of that is true.

Clearly. I have noticed you have convinced yourself that what you say is true, and it doesn't really matter if it is or not. That's become perfectly apparent.

I'm not surprised you are so paranoid listening to this kind of lunacy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A2hlAU2RxU"]EMERGENCY BROADCAST: Obama Plans for Civil War Ahead of Gun Ban - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/user/StpLSD25

Do you actually care about gun crime in the US?

 

What are you talking about? I said Wikipedia gave that statistic! You're acting like I made it up, when I DID read it on wikipedia. Did you get ANY statistics which say otherwise?? You're a total dick Odon, and I'm about to give you the third degree for you making personal attacks, just because your Liberal ass disagrees with me.

You're not from America, and you don't a shit to haggle w/ our freedom! No skin off your ballsack! But no, it's not a "fact," it's an OPINION. (Are you fucking happy now??)

But I feel like you Brittish folks don't give a shit about freedom cause you guys already have insane gun laws, (and theres still gangs and gun crime) You guys aren't allowed to protest around the parliment (Unless you're in a protesting section,) and, you guys pay the royal family TRILLIONS of dollars for their bloodline!!

The UK has an awful government! Not to mention you can't even film in your train stations or buses, cause CCTV is the ONLY company allowed to film down there. You guys wouldn't know freedom if it bitch slapped you in the face!!

You can "think," whatever the hell you want! However, IT IS TRUE! Here's a link to the family dogs getting shot by cops over a dirty marijauna pipe!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=5XmjNxKOQvg

Here's a video of MILITARY DISARMAMENT after Katrina!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=B1Qx0cTze0M


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A2hlAU2RxU"]
Do you actually care about gun crime in the US?[/QUOTE]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=B1Qx0cTze0M

I care MORE about Cop on citizen violence, tyranny and, police corruption; which happens CONSTANTLY in the USA!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&list=PLA6BB5278ED9088AA&v=MFNSueFs4KE

You're such a typical Liberal, in that, you try to put government on this pedistol, on which, they can do whatever the hell they'd like cause it's allegedly for the greater good. When in reality, police are just people who went into that field, they can still be fucked up in the head, secretly murderers or rapist or whatever else!


I am done trying to talk sense into you Liberals. The truth is, people like you see the government as some great force for good; and as long as you keep that fictional idea in your head, you'll never be set straight as to the facts.

The truth is, the government cannot protect an individual from every bad person/thing in the world! Furthermore, many times the government is the CAUSE of the fore mentioned violence!!

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."~Thomas Jefferson


“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”~Thomas Jefferson


And MOST importantly...

"The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the Constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first. "~Thomas Jefferson

 

lol... Odon.

 

Obama's statement about negative liberties doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. I find it somewhat disturbing that someone so incapable of understanding a simple concept should wield anything more dangerous than a plastic spork. Try not to shoot your foot off dude.

 

You don't even know what you're talking about! There's NOTHING in the Constitution that could be construed as "Negative Liberties!" other than the mere mention of slavery!!! People like you drive me crazy! What is so negative and obsolete about the Constitution??


It's like I said, the only person who would see Human Rights as a "Negative" thing, is either a tyrannical government, or a Barrack Obama worshipper!

Dumb ass Obama supporters, have no argument except that of Barrack Obamas! You have NO political opinion, unless Obama said it!!

So please Mr. Ifuckinknoweverything, why don't YOU tell me why our FOUNDING DOCUMENT is a negative thing!?

 

They're just brainwashed, STP. There is no point in getting angry about it.

 

I'm not angry, I'm just blown away at the stupidity of these Liberal Obama supporters!! It's like when Obama said (and this is a direct quote)

"I know some people would like me to bypass congress, and write the laws myself."

And his DUMB ass supporters are screaming

"YESSS WEEE CANNN!!!"

Ugh! I feel like smacking them, and telling them straight up; Our system is one of checks and balances, that is meant to protect us from having a DICTATOR or a KING!!!

The Constitution wasn't Rights given to us by the government, they were recognized as Human Rights, that if a Government couldn't abide by these simple standards and Rights, it was corrupt and tyrannical!!!

 

It's scary... the direction in which things are heading and how so many people are fine to just go along with it.

And the funny thing is, if you read my posts on these forums going back almost 10 years, I was warning people about everything that is happening... well before Obama got into office. I was called a conspiracy theorist then, and still am today.

I used to get angry over people's ignorance and reluctance to question things that are right in their faces, but after a while you just come to accept that most people are content to live their lives in the dark and believe whatever they're told by people in positions of authority.