not meant to offend anyone at all...

well put soulshine. That's all i meant. About duality though. What's wrong with duality? What's wrong with pain? What's wrong with pleasure? Of coarse there is no need to answer that.

 

yes, most folks are misguided as you say, but isn't that why they shouldn't take the drugs in the first place? i mean, if you have a certain mindset, drugs can in fact show you the "way" and actually help a person find him or herself. of course, like you say, for most people this is not true, but that is what i was getting at initially... most of the people who eventually find out that tripping wasn't for them are usually those types of people that only take psychs purely for "having a good time" and then they get a kick in the butt in return.

 

yeah, you're right. But there's no way of finding out, unless you do them.. Then you either get your but kicked or open the gates of heaven. Axis bold as love.

 

haha, so true. it's the double standard...

 

it's an endless game of russian roulette. But i've already lost enough times to use 2 guns, so it's all good. In response to your first post on this subject....yes i am very very VERY offended!

 

I think that you need to reread my post again. As I said in my post EARTH made medicinals like Peyotl, Teonanactl (Mushrooms) Soma (Ancient Scriptures of India, Vedas), Ayahuasca etc. Sacred plants that are only used for ritual and spiritual journeys are a powerful tool, and do pave the way for some. They have been catalysts for spiritual alchemy in some people, and for others it hasnt. Never did I state that you should take them out of attachment, or they are necessary for the journey.

I am trying to explain to you that you put a block on the essence of ENLIGHTMENT through the TRUTH OF NON DUALITY by saying that someone cannot do it a certain way. Does that make sense?? The amazing thing is that enlightment is found through anything, even through things that we think would only get us stuck....It is and it is not...Another amazing thing is that I have put a block on it myself...


I do not need psychedelics to show me the middle way. It is not about that. Being in the desert at night and meditation puts me in the place in my soul, or doing Reiki is enough to feel the light. But in this life, the special ceremonies that I have had the blessing of partaking in have really opened up my heart to the God energy.

Love and Light

the path to enlightenment is not paved with chemical substances but rather with the knowledge to recognize the direction the path winds...


Just by saying this you have put a duality on the nature of the Buddha mind. Which basically cancels it out, by saying it can only be found in a certain way.Enlightenment is everything, just as infinite as the universe...We are all enlightened, we all have enlightement within us, our ego either has been taught not to realize it, or just cannot accept it.

Even a dog has Buddha nature, a tree, a cat, a baby, and you. Earth psychedelics have been used for a very very very long time(million years+) as a EGO disentigrator, a catalyst for peoples(aboriginals all over the world) to tap/feel into their true nature. There is nothing wrong with your choice, but you nor I can comprehend the absolute truth. My reality is different from yours, and what works for you works for you.

 

I used to take drugs as sorta a way to try to see more outta life then I did.

Then I became really cynical about the whole expanding my mind stuff and just used drugs to have fun.

Then... even as cynical as I was I realised that drugs sorta helped me explore the nature of my perceptions...

Now I'm a buddhist, and I think that happiness is the highest emotional state of awarness and the most virtueous.

Even if he is just doing it for enjoyment... he may be getting more outta it then he thinks... or he may understand whats happening to him, but not know how to or want to talk about it, or be to cynical... I know I appreciate my cynicism.

Or maybe hes just a happless druggy and likes to get stoned, I dunno.

Don't worry about it... have fun!

 

Cosmic butterfly is dead on, and certainly has the most 'accurate' persepctive at least in terms of ethenogens. These cosmic 'keys' are of enourmious importance to humans and gia. In fact, if one were to do enough research, It is likely one would find that the consciousness expanding properties are a key mechanism of evolution. i.e. terrance mekenna - however all recorded history(official and folk) reveals many clues as to how this happens and why it has been viciously demonized and surpressed in the past couple millenia.

I personally refuse to believe that opioid nhilist bullshit about doing whatever fills my monmentary desire (with 'different strokes', were all the same organism with a different 'face') and it is irrelivant to all other things because you cannot formulate absolutes - a fun abstraction but this is severely unsupported by the human condition, not to mention the wellbeing of the rest of nature.

It's not the secrets of the govenrment that's keeping you down, it's the other way around.

-PsDX

 

Hmm. I have had life changing experiences at raves. You really don't need to go out in the woods to lose yourself to find yourself. Here's the thing.. I read all about how to achieve a change in concious and I read all about how if you eat this drug in this environment then this will happen, so I decided to find out for myself. I quickly realized I can trip with friends on the beach or in the woods, and the result would be amazing. We'd learn so much about ourselves, but there was something missing.. there was just no energy. We'd sit around and talk about things that we thought were deep, and we felt smart.. keyword: felt. I ended up eating acid at a Phish concert with some friends, we were in a sold-out crowd of maybe 18,000 people, and we were inside a venue. I sat and smoked a cigarette, and looked up at the ceiling, and watched things "breathe", and change. As the lights went out and the music began.. I entered a dimension that acid/mushrooms/ecstasy/salvia/dxm/etc. had never brought me before. I was exploring MY inner conciousness, and I learned so much more about myself and the people around me.. it was like nothing I had ever experienced in my life, the lights, the music, the people, i lost it and i loved it. I took those hits to "party", and it changed me. Psychs are all about going with the flow, you can take them ANYWHERE (within reason) that is safe, and you can take them with any intent, and if you go with the flow you'll learn more than is even comprehendible! But to oust raves, and say "gee my friend does mushies for the wrong reason, can't he just sit with some friends, and expand his mind?" is ignorant. I suggest you take a hit or some caps and go to a rave, then try and tell me that music doesn't propel the experience!! Raves will blow your mind.

 

see, i know personally, i would never be able to handle myself tripping at a rave. i don't like to go to raves for one, and i feel that the tempo is just too fast for me, not meaning the tempo of the music, but of the whole atmosphere. there's too much going on... now at music fests i have done psychadelics, but this is still mainly on "my own time", not being in the middle of a huge crowd... i find myself wandering when i trip at concerts, rather than sitting in one location.

 

Well different strokes for different folks I actually didnt like electronica, until some DJ in the parking lot after a show got me dancing my ass off. Then I fell in love with it. The thing is the trips that educate you the most actually are the ones you enjoy the least, intensity is a big thing. Thats why Robert Hunter fell so in love with LSD, I'm sure you're familar with him since you got that Langerado thing. And wandering is great, dancing is great, going with the flow is what tripping is all about. Once you let go.... your truly tripping.