An Athiest's Prayer

And is therefore itself sensory information. Knowledge is always perceived.

To make sense and to understand are no different.

And why I say also what we do.

 

lol. Precisely why I opt out after a time. Love the analogy!

 

The terms are not off by themselves but are meant in context. To make a judgment is to give a verdict. It is the true speech, (ver-true, dit-speech), upon which we justify our perceptions and in turn our responses. You are bound fundamentally to your treasure or sense of rightness and your responses emerge consistently according to your judgments if in fact you are engaged in those kind of assessments. Such assessments are not required to organize your life but they do require you to organized yourself in a certain way.

To understand something is simply to come to know it. Coming to know is ongoing.

So everything we do is love?

 

No. Do you think love is something we don't do?

 

I think we do nothing else, love being what we are.

This point is essential to getting the message.

Many believe that we must alter our behavior to satisfy love. A popular theme is that love requires from us at some times a sacrifice. Those people, reflecting in addition on my own history, spend their time trying to feed a bloodthirsty animal that does not exist. Love does not eat, does not consume, although it lends an appetite for good. Love is a fountain of infinite volume.

Love is not bound by variable exchange rates, it's giving equal always to it's having. All expressions of love are maximal.

If you think not everything we do is love can you provide an example, or better yet tell us where you would prefer not to call on love?

If love is a condition it is ours, having and being the same truth. There will be people who will tell you that you do not have it, (love,) don't believe it of yourself, the claim is simply a curse on life for all involved.

 

The point that you think we do nothing else is essential to 'getting' love?!

You've said before that everything we do is either love or the call for it. Meeting contradiction in expression is a part of expressing onself. Let's not let it become its only part? :-D

I was going to give the example of destroying eachother. But take sleep instead.
Yes the sharks are in love with the blood, the flowers in love with the light. To have power be love one has to make it so, one has to grasp, after power! I understand your vast foregiveness thedope. Don't let it become an emptiness! Expression wants infinity!

Come, said claim is a curse on one and all when everything we do is love?! But... how can this be?! lol

 

I suppose technically someone could love to murder other people, they love to hurt other people, they love to be evil to other people, etc.

 

Getting it as per the point of the thread.

Don't understand the last two sentences. I add or the call for it for the sake of your objections. To me love is not absent at all.

I disagree. The shark loves by virtue of it's sharkness. The flowers neither toil nor spin but none are adorned such as those, lovely in their being.

Having a being are the same truth.
Love moves all life. If you cling it escapes you.

Which is why I say we do not need to pass verdicts in order to organize our lives. Verdicts demand one expression only, payment.

But what if we had been mistaken in our prospectus?
What if life were a gift after all? How would we respond to a gift truly given?
It cannot be denied, only appreciated or not.

We love our creations and we would insist that the claim is so. We cannot extract from life, our being is all our having and all our evaluating
determines our level of appreciation and that is all. What condition is missing from a complaint if having and being are the same, only a level of appreciation. A curse/complaint is an active attack on the appreciation of real things.

 

Homo sapiens means both tasting man and knowing man.
These are related attributes but their qualities are modified or informed by one another. Taste by itself as in loves to, serves as traffic control for the otherwise uninformed giving a person direction in his life regardless his level of conscious familiarity with it.. Informed taste, or taste tempered by knowledge is
oft referred to as good taste.

In early childhood development there is no accounting for taste. It's formulations are serendipitous in many cases to chance circumstance. Sexual fetish for example is established as a matter of coincidental timing, age with associations. Our first hormonal stirrings attach themselves by association to whatever activity is perceived to go along with them. Say for example you get a boner that you are conscious of for the first time while you were coincidentally getting your butt beat for lying to mom. That then becomes an archetype for future sexual preferences, a neural pathway grown at a formative time, as we are impressioned. Those aren't dark impulses as in evil, but are reflective of coincidental associations. As neural pathways though, they process stimulus in the same way every time in an autonomous way, that is unconsciously unless they are consciously modified through education. I.e., forgive them they know not what they do.


It is my feeling that our experience can be liberated toward more appreciation if we teach our children not our ideas of right and wrong, such lessons are coercive/co-optative of natively emerging expressions, but teach them how to know and use the human energy system, give them an owners manual of human being. But then again you can't teach them what you yourself have not learned. To gain such a manual in philosophical terms is to know thyself.

 

thedope:

Don't mind me thedope, add for your own or not at all.
I don't object to love being anywhere.

The shark loves because it is a shark? Does the psychotic murderer love because they are a psychotic murderer? If you find love everywhere, why don't you make it felt everywhere?

Grasping, holding, is not clinging. Any lover knows this.

No, what we don't need to do is cease valuing simply because we can't arrive at a conclusive value. What if the verdict is simply love? You pass an ugly verdict on verdicts my pretty. :-D

This is true, but I have heart still for those who find in life only their 'lot' and not their whole will to give in return. If you judge it best not to judge, then you'd best do so for yourself alone.

I think you may be trying to sidestep my point. lol How is the curse that you say is a curse for everyone, a curse at all when you say everything we do is love? Especially since you don't admit degrees of love, but say all expressions of it are maximal. All your sayings come down to saying all is one. We go different ways thedope. All is infinite.

May the curse of christianity be lifted from you! Take up your cross and leave it behind! :-D

 

Hasn't been my experience with you, at least in conversation.

Sharks do more than love blood, but yes sharks do shark things, they are not very good at flying. Psychotic murderer is not the correct identification as a synonym to shark being. Human being is the correct comparison. Human beings do the things human beings do.
I don't know what you mean, have it felt everywhere.

You said grasping after power, what need has a lover to grasp after power?

I made the distinction earlier regarding judgment between making them and coming to understand.

My point has nothing to do with not arriving at conclusive value but that arbitrary evaluation, that is a metric of whim, based solely on personal wishes, feelings, or perceptions, rather than on objective facts, reasons, or principles, is poor way to apprehend phenomena at large but a good way to see your reflection.
My metric is life is invaluable and with that metric no sliding scale of light and dark is needed.

As I choose for myself I choose for the world of my relations. As I choose for the world of my relations I choose also for myself.

No, not trying to sidestep your point. Ask people to give up their complaint and they will tell you no, they are right to have it. Then again at the same time it was their finding an unpleasantness that inspired their complaint.
We go different ways only in our imagination, we are always together in reality.

It is yours to rescind, I never found cause to curse it.

 

The octopus is at it again....

 

thedope:

Bullshit. Where have I ever objected to love being anywhere thedope?

It doesn't matter that you don't know what I mean by making love felt, or that you don't see I wasn't identifying sharks as psychotic murderers.

Love is power to the lover.


Here is what I wrote:

Dejavu: I was going to give the example of destroying eachother. But take sleep instead. Yes the sharks are in love with the blood, the flowers in love with the light. To have power be love one has to make it so, one has to grasp, after power! I understand your vast foregiveness thedope. Don't let it become an emptiness! Expression wants infinity!

Making it so is all I mean. Your "I need do nothing" would qualify too if you said what it is you then wanted! lol

No real distinction when the reasoning, the principles, the 'objective' facts in question all come down to the personal anyway. All evaluation is rendered "poor" by your most immaculate metric.

The choosing we're talking about is choosing not to choose, dope.

Ok, not sidestep it, but ignore it completely? lol About our ways, I think you undervalue the imagination! :-D

lol Fine! Take up your cross and carry on! Seriously though, and this goes for all who've posted in this thread, and any who may be just looking in on these words right now- My very best to you! My hope is for everyone. Love!

 

Without conditional requirements, or here,
To have power be love one has to make it so, one has to grasp, after power![/B]

All power is given you in creation. Being and having are the same truth. Would you have do tricks to prove or attain our love?

If love is a condition it is ours and where our treasure lies, there we find our heart also. Preference indicates what you value. Your values may change but they will always be heartfelt. It doesn't matter whether you find disgust or beauty your heart responds to your finding.

As far as making love felt I see now why I didn't understand you before. Love is always felt as above. Love however is not always recognized because people put conditional requirements on it's perception, i,e, "if you loved me you wouldn't have to ask."

As to sharks and psychotics.

It is as ignorant for an airplane pilot to say that the people in the hunter gatherer village he just landed in are without technology as for the people in the village to call the airplane pilot a god because he climbed out of an airplane.

Your example does not compare things on an equal scale. Shark being is more than just eating blood. Human being even for the psychotic murderer is more
than just an illness or an act of murder.

If infinity is not one then it is no thing specific.

I am grateful and there is no wanting in this. Again would you have us
sit and spin for trinkets? I understand you are thirsty but I find satisfaction roomier than thirst.

Well it is not true they all come down to solipsism. A rock is a rock regardless we agree or not about it's constitution. Knowledge is being shared, not our private perspective. As we share perspectives we may learn more of our subjective regards.

That would be true perhaps if remembering could be at times a type of selective forgetting.
The choosing I advocate is according to standard as opposed to arbitrary metrics. High and low are not standard metrics. Pleasing or not is not a standard metric.

Conversely we may use our powers of distinction in a reliable way to distinguish what is the same and what is different. From there to ask what a thing is for. When intent and effect, when what is claimed and what is done are in accord we have an honest accounting.

How is a curse a curse at all when everything is love?, because we feel cursed, the strength of our love for our perception of rightness makes it so. There is no place in the world for an expression of distaste, we either choke on it or spit it out onto something else. Is it ever deserving?, how much do you value it?, obviously we don't like it!
As far as imagination, you don't think I have one?

I am not cross.
My hope then that your very best is never far from you.

 

thedope:

Love is never without its condition.

I would have us love. All you say amounts to saying "we do that already" as though I didn't know. Give love its condition thedope, or don't.

It's not always reciprocated, no.

You still haven't understood! lol But it doesn't matter as I said. Where is the equal scale thedope?

Nothing specific you could recognise anyway. I should add that you cannot make infinity equal one. lol

If you won't love, what is your point? Let's just be satisfied with what we have, is that it? Stop populating as you've once put it, "Fat carcasses".

Who said it does? I said the personal. And our private perspective is shared too if only with ourselves.

Huh? You simply don't understand! LOL On this new branch away from what we were discussing though, you are the one who has said remembering is selective forgetting, which it isn't.

O Heaven, give me strength! lol You want an accounting? What was that crap again about verdicts demanding one expression only?!

That's not how! LOL And your imagination? I don't think you love it!

Not far from, but not me myself? We go different ways. I hope everyone is their very best that they may be fit to find everyone elses. My blessing!

And my curse? Does anyone actually want that?! lol

 

thedope;

The measure you give is the measure you receive. Your love is never outside of you. Love is always there but the perception of it is made obscure through criticism.

I have understood Dejavu. The equal scale is in being. Everyone is committed to their being, be it shark or human.

Then you can't make it one thing specifically. If I ask you what a word means it is customary not to use the same word as the definition for the word you are defining.
If I ask you what infinity means according to your equation it means infinity.
If it has no other meaning then it has only one meaning.

Littering the world with fat carcasses.
Humm, If I won't love. Is that an objection to love being somewhere?
You don't recognize love in satisfaction? What I am saying is if you recognized what you had dissatisfaction would be the farthest thing from mind.

thedope;
Well it is not true they all come down to solipsism.

"No real distinction when the reasoning, the principles, the 'objective' facts in question all come down to the personal anyway."

You are more than one?

That would be true perhaps if remembering could be at times a type of selective forgetting.
The choosing I advocate is according to standard as opposed to arbitrary metrics. High and low are not standard metrics. Pleasing or not is not a standard metric.

To assimilate new paradigms is to sublimate old ones. If the prayer is to get it I am not branching away. If I want to remember how it is not to smoke I selectively forget any idea of attempting to satisfy the temptation to smoke.

It is your wanting not mine. I say only what is the same and what is different.
I suggest meticulously honest counting not summary judgment.

 

For the love of preserving however much bandwidth is still available....please please PLEASE you two, give it up.

You're both completely and totally right. Now be good kids and go clean your rooms.

 

No you haven't. There is no equal scale in being, nor any inherent commitment to it. A shark is not a human.

I've never tried to.

So in infinitys equalling infinity it is one? No, it is still infinity.

Why should your satisfaction mean anything to me? You think that desiring implies dissatisfaction. I don't envy you your love.

Have to run it by you a third time? Here, plainly: The personal is not solipsism, dope.

You're a half-wit? Everything, not only knowledge, is shared. The self may not be private, but you are only speaking of its perspectives.

What a load!

LOL Nice try. You give me no reason for caring what you suggest thedope. I can appreciate you for what you are. :-D

 

Yes dear I have. Since you believe that reality is unequal to itself what do you think it equal to. Are you claiming of all life you are special? More complex does not mean higher. What life is it that you think is not committed to living itself?

How many meanings do you give to the word infinity? When you right your symbol for infinity in an equation it stands for no other symbol.

Who cares if it means anything to you? I said I find satisfaction roomier than wanting. And here again a love you would not desire.

You speak the very definition of solipsism with this statement,

"No real distinction when the reasoning, the principles, the 'objective' facts in question all come down to the personal anyway."

i.e.

solipsism;

belief in self as only reality: the belief that the only thing somebody can be sure of is that he or she exists, and that true knowledge of anything else is impossible

Shitty response.

You care only for what you imagine of me. Sometimes you can appreciate, sometimes you cannot. We have never met and you know me only by my words. I have always succeeded in sharing my thoughts when I cared to.