Japanese Clone 26 Generations of Mice!

skip · Mar 8, 2013

The Japanese have been able to successfully clone 26 generations of mice all from one mouse. In the past, successive generations would exhibit anomalies or be unable to reproduce, but thanks to new technology, scientists can now clone mammals indefinitely without mutations or other issues.

This is expected to be a boon to the livestock industry.

How long before humans are cloned over and over again...?

http://www.france24.com/en/20130308-japan-clones-26-generations-still-going

MeAgain · Mar 8, 2013

Cloned hamburgers? I though McDonald's already did that.

But seriously, I'm thinking of a Kentucky Derby where all the horses are the same animal, because you know the money people are going to jump all over this.

Stranger and stranger.

David54 · Mar 9, 2013

Skip said:

How long before humans are cloned over and over again...?
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As soon as someone with a lot of money decides that he's ready to do it.

skip · Mar 9, 2013

So the next question is: who will they clone?

Welcome, Brave New World!

skip · Mar 9, 2013

I think this is appropriate place to remind everyone of the plot of the book, Brave New World by Aldous Huxley...
This is where we are heading, folks. Btw, this was written in 1931, 82 years ago. How prophetic!

Wikipedia said:

The novel opens in London in 632 (AD 2540 in the Gregorian Calendar). The vast majority of the population is unified under the World State, an eternally peaceful, stable global society in which goods and resources are plentiful (because the population is permanently limited to no more than two billion people) and everyone is happy. Natural reproduction has been done away with and children are created, 'decanted' and raised in Hatcheries and Conditioning Centres, where they are divided into five castes (which are further split into 'Plus' and 'Minus' members) and designed to fulfill predetermined positions within the social and economic strata of the World State. Fetuses chosen to become members of the highest caste, 'Alpha', are allowed to develop naturally while maturing to term in "decanting bottles", while fetuses chosen to become members of the lower castes ('Beta', 'Gamma', 'Delta', 'Epsilon') are subjected to in situ chemical interference to cause arrested development in intelligence or physical growth.

Each 'Alpha' or 'Beta' is the product of one unique fertilized egg developing into one unique fetus. Members of lower castes are not unique but are instead created using the Bokanovsky process which enables a single egg to spawn (at the point of the story being told) up to 96 children and one ovary to produce thousands of children. To further increase the birthrate of Gammas, Deltas and Epsilons, Podsnap's Technique causes all the eggs in the ovary to mature simultaneously, allowing the hatchery to get full use of the ovary in two years' time. People of these castes make up the majority of human society, and the production of such specialized children bolsters the efficiency and harmony of society, since these people are deliberately limited in their cognitive and physical abilities, as well as the scope of their ambitions and the complexity of their desires, thus rendering them easier to control. All children are educated via the hypnopaedic process, which provides each child with caste-appropriate subconscious messages to mold the child's lifelong self-image and social outlook to that chosen by the leaders and their predetermined plans for producing future adult generations.

To maintain the World State's Command Economy for the indefinite future, all citizens are conditioned from birth to value consumption with such platitudes as "ending is better than mending," "more stiches less riches" i.e., buy a new item instead of fixing the old one, because constant consumption, and near-universal employment to meet society's material demands, is the bedrock of economic and social stability for the World State. Beyond providing social engagement and distraction in the material realm of work or play, the need for transcendence, solitude and spiritual communion is addressed with the ubiquitous availability and universally endorsed consumption of the drug soma. Soma is an allusion to a ritualistic drink of the same name consumed by ancient Indo-Aryans. In the book, soma is a hallucinogen that takes users on enjoyable, hangover-free "holidays". It was developed by the World State to provide these inner-directed personal experiences within a socially managed context of State-run 'religious' organizations; social clubs. The hypnopaedically inculcated affinity for the State-produced drug, as a self-medicating comfort mechanism in the face of stress or discomfort, thereby eliminates the need for religion or other personal allegiances outside or beyond the World State.

Recreational sex is an integral part of society. According to the World State, sex is a social activity, rather than a means of reproduction (sex is encouraged from early childhood). The few women who can reproduce are conditioned to use birth control, even wearing a "Malthusian belt" (which resembles a cartridge belt and holds "the regulation supply of contraceptives") as a popular fashion accessory. The maxim "everyone belongs to everyone else" is repeated often, and the idea of a "family" is considered pornographic; sexual competition and emotional, romantic relationships are rendered obsolete because they are no longer needed. Marriage, natural birth, parenthood, and pregnancy are considered too obscene to be mentioned in casual conversation. Thus, society has developed a new idea of reproductive comprehension.

Spending time alone is considered an outrageous waste of time and money, and wanting to be an individual is horrifying. Conditioning trains people to consume and never to enjoy being alone, so by spending an afternoon not playing "Obstacle Golf," or not in bed with a friend, one is forfeiting acceptance.

In the World State, people typically die at age 60[14] having maintained good health and youthfulness their whole life. Death isn't feared; anyone reflecting upon it is reassured by the knowledge that everyone is happy, and that society goes on. Since no one has family, they have no ties to mourn.

The conditioning system eliminates the need for professional competitiveness; people are literally bred to do their jobs and cannot desire another. There is no competition within castes; each caste member receives the same food, housing, and soma rationing as every other member of that caste. There is no desire to change one's caste, largely because a person's sleep-conditioning reinforces each individual's place in the caste system. To grow closer with members of the same class, citizens participate in mock religious services called Solidarity Services, in which twelve people consume large quantities of soma and sing hymns. The ritual progresses through group hypnosis and climaxes in an orgy.
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jaredfelix · Mar 9, 2013

Wow yes! I Just read about this today!This is so crazy, I doubt any clone would have a soul, would they? Sure they can probably just download your memories though and pass them from clone to clone as if your immortal, but kind of in a fake way. Like The 6th Day! Lol
I bet they've already tried this, if I was in places of power I know I would of by now.

FritzDaKatx2 · Mar 9, 2013

:2thumbsup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvHe74WAwIw"]Aldous Huxley - Brave New World (Side 1) - YouTube

kokujin · Mar 9, 2013

How exactly are "clones" made?? Using sperm is cheating, no? So what are the rules and how does this work?

David54 · Mar 10, 2013

Skip said:

So the next question is: who will they clone?
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That depends on the motivations of the people with lots of money. They'll probably clone themselves and their loved ones for spare parts.

Welcome, Brave New World!
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Oh, stop with the melodrama!

David54 · Mar 10, 2013

kokujin said:

How exactly are "clones" made?? Using sperm is cheating, no? So what are the rules and how does this work?
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Don't know the specifics of the process. But basically they take your DNA and implant it in an egg and implant the egg in a uterus. The egg then develops into a baby and voila, a new person is born with the exact same genetics as the original.

No, sperm are not involved. Sperm only contain half of your chromosomes. The other half comes from the egg. In normal, sexual reproduction, the two mix to form a brand new person.

Any species that doesn't engage in sexual reproduction is already cloning itself.

DdC · Mar 10, 2013

Cloning's ok, just don't smoke a doobie...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a61fPIgJfgs"]Obama of Borg presidential pledge - YouTube

lovenyou · Mar 10, 2013

Skip said:

So the next question is: who will they clone?

Welcome, Brave New World!
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. Ford, we are twelve; oh, make us one,
Like drops within the Social River;
Oh, make us now together run
As swiftly as thy shining Flivver.
. . .
Orgy-porgy, Ford and fun,
Kiss the girls and make them One.
Boys at one with girls at peace;
Orgy-porgy gives release.

My apologies if my citing isn't correct..I'm new to this site and haven't gotten everything figured out qte yet.

snowtiggernd · Mar 14, 2013

This will only lead to corporate livestock "factorys".That will effectively push out the independent livestock producers. These big outfits now use growth hormones, now mix that with cloning, well the meat is already questionable before that..This is only a boon for corporate outfits not independent family operations.

Duck · Mar 14, 2013

I wish FDR could've been cloned over and over..

scratcho · Mar 14, 2013

The same ones that get cloned would be the same ones going on any space travel in the event of an impending catastophe necessitating evacuation from earth. Not anyone we'll ever meet.

JoanofSnarc · Mar 17, 2013

An interesting development for sure but important to keep in mind that apart from cloning livestock and research animals, cloning humans would not produce a person who is identical to his or her clone. We are more than just our genes. A human clone might be physically identical, but who we are as human beings is a complex interaction between genes, developmental factors, physical and social environment. The notion of cloning oneself for replacement organs is horrific. It would involve murdering a person to obtain his or her liver for example...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aclS1pGHp8o"]Organ Donor - YouTube

DrewSpeaksTrue · Mar 23, 2013

I'm not okay with cloning personally, especially if its to create a person to harvest their organs, I consider it playing mother nature..but my opinion is simply an opinion and everyone else are entitled to theirs ofcourse.

FritzDaKatx2 · Mar 24, 2013

No need to clone for harvest for much longer.

http://www.ted.com/talks/anthony_atala_printing_a_human_kidney.html

GeorgeJetStoned · Mar 24, 2013

It would be nice to be able to get a good steak every time.

FritzDaKatx2 · Mar 24, 2013

Wonder how many people are going to stay Vegan?

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