Obama Administration: We Can And Will Force Christians To Act Against Their Faith

Proof is incumbent upon those making a positive statement: "There is a god". "There is no god".

No proof required for negative statement: "I don't believe in gods".

A secular state doesn't prevent anyone from believing in gods, fairies, pixies, vampires, zombies, leprechauns, dragons, unicorns, demons, devils, ghosts, goblins, alien overlords or other magical creatures or processes. It also doesn't prevent you from worshipping them. All it does is prevent me from forcing you to adhere to the dictates of my invisible friend.

 

Stop for a second and check your prejudices at the door.

Have said anything about favoring religion having anything to do with politics? I do not, Christians are to be no part of this world and this means they are not get involved in making laws about gay marriage, abortion, etc.

Christians are to follow all the laws of the nation in their lives, as long as those laws do not contradict God's laws.

So, as for as I'm concerned atheists can force the government to make any laws they want, I will serve God to the best of my ability.

But the problem is that soon atheists will past laws outlawing all religion because they believe that all religions are "ramming their imaginary invisible useless sky monster down the throats of others" and all religions are involved in "blowing up things".

I'm only asking what atheists are going to do when they see Christians being put to death? Yes, it has happened in the past and will happen again in the near future.

 

Oh, and you would so like my invisible friend. You must like him or you will choke and sputter in a sea of cold water for eternity while we believers watch with smug looks on our faces. He can be sarcastic and capricious at times but that is probably because he has no arms and legs and lives in the olympic sized swimming pool in my basement. His name is Bob.

 

Oh the drama! Reread above posts. Perhaps you've missed some critical points therein.

 

what gave you this idea? you're really reaching here.

cmon seriously? you are out of touch with reality. show me one instance of christians being persecuted and i'll show you five instances of christians persecuting others.

christians love to climb up on the cross and crucify themselves for all of us to see but they are not being persecuted. you are the majority. in america, an atheist coming 'out of the closet' about being an atheist is subject to mental and physical abuse, being rejected by family, friends, being kicked out of organizations, losing a career, and a lot more. christians in america don't have to deal with that.

 

Look at your agrument.

A does not lead to B.

There is no logical reason to believe what you are saying.

Then again, there is no logical reason to believe in the other things you believe in, so I suppose I can forgive you. You still believe atheism to be a belief system as you are accustomed to, and to be sure, if protestants had the ability, they would outlaw other religion.

 

Does not lead to B, perhaps you would be so good as to point out why not.

And as for this, "You still believe atheism to be a belief system as you are accustomed to"; no, I do not believe such and your saying so just shows you do not understand what is being said to you.

Also, even if true Christians "had the ability" to outlaw other religions, they would not do so, because God has not asked them to do so.

 

What do you consider to be the definition of Christianity, if you believe Christian are persecutors?

To me a Christian is a footstep follower of the Christ, so I ask you who did Jesus persecute, who did Jesus bomb or put to death? No one, so Christians that follow Jesus' example do not either but as recently as the '40s those very footstep followers of Jesus were thrown into prisons and concentration camps in various countries and thousands were put to death. So it is not so hard to believe that people, that use such hateful verbiage, are ready to do it again.

 

Oh, that explains a bit.

You're one of those who takes how you wish reality was, and then uses it as though it's real, in your discussions.

Yeah, I'm sure that all 100 christians in the history of forever, would not use law to attack others.

 

"Oh, that explains a bit. You're one of those who takes how you wish reality was, and then uses it as though it's real, in your discussions."

That sounds more like what you do, than me.

Because you are unaware of things that have happened, you believe they never happened but that doesn't change the fact that they happened and are true.

 

the argument you are using is called 'no true scotsman' and is a logical fallacy. try looking it up sometime, it's very interesting. in the meantime, arguing logic with an illogical person is a futile exercise. thanks for your time and good luck with all those fairy tales

 

a lot of family wisdom has been lost . christians feel this and hold to
what they are able as 'traditionalists' . i feel a sorrow for the lostness .
the forced conformity devised by nationalism will not suffice . we need
to be free to think , to remember , to hold on .

ya , this is old-time hippy philosophy . it might not survive . we
don't know . it's why Wise Woman is a goddess rather than women
who sensibly gather and have responsibility together . it's why LSD .

 

Pardon?

 

Please do tell which "Right" is ones "right to healthcare?" There isn't one! This is Liberal Propaganda that's actually working to line the pocket of rich insurance companies, and cost the adverage joe a shitload more money.

 

Obama's an asshole and a would-be dictator. The most patriotic thing one could do, is oppose this unconstitutional government.

 

So Dude111 starts this thread with hell and brimstone craziness and then never returns to defend his ideas. Just a troll, I guess.

 

I know Dude111, he's on here alot, and i have mad respect for that guy.

I don't have respect for Brainwashed Liberal Obama Fanboys, who believe it's okay for Obama to constantly violate the Constitution, and shove more taxes and Obamacare down everyone's throats. So if you have a question ask me and I'll defend my own beliefs.

At 60 years old, I'm surprised they're still playing this trick on you. Obama is no Jack Kennedy (if he were the elitest would be gunning for him, NOT voting/paying for him)

Furthermore, I can't stand how you Liberal Obsess over how evil and rich the republican party is, when there is virtually no difference between Democrats and Republicans; it's all political posturing! Propaganda to make people think "I'd have a beer with that guy, I'm gonna vote for him." Republicans are put there to silence the rednecks, and democrats are put there to silence the Liberals, hippies and, everyone else. But do any of them actually believe the rhetoric they spew? Hell no!

The Liberals hero, Barrack Hussian Obama, said "I will not have any bankers or lobbyist in my White House," However, that is ALL that works in Obamas white house; Big Banksters and special interest groups!!!

 

Moderate! What are you then?

 

I'm a Libertarian. Liberals are NOT Moderate; they want the government to EXPAND, like Government is going to "fix" the problem. Whereas I believe government IS the problem.

IE The government has been in the healthcare business for 40 years, and it hasn't helped at all! In fact, it's made the price go way way up, and quality of care drop to the ground! Anyone who has ever had Government insurance can tell you guys, that it takes HOURS to speak with a real person.

 

What IS moderate?
The CONSTANT battle between different factions/ideologies of politics serves nobody.
You seem to want fair healthcare for all - but your ideology prevents that.
The UK government has been in the healthcare business for the last 60 years - and it most definitely has helped.
The U.S model seems to try and please everybody but pleases nobody.