Thumbprint Dose(vs. DMT)

I have heard these stories too. There is still a network of people who believe in LSD. They are not easy to track down, but being that way means they keep pumping out what we all want.

 

I'm thinking either troll or somebody who is for some reason trying to scare people from acid. You can see the myth here (there is not necessarily proof that these didn't happen, but the fact that this almost exact story has been told so many times obviously means that this guy is spouting bullshit): http://www.snopes.com/horrors/drugs/orange.asp

I just remember my friends growing up telling me VERY similar stories that their parents had told them, one was also a guy cutting out his insides on LSD and not even knowing what he was doing.

 

https://www.youtube.com/embed/fto2_YE5-W8?feature=player_detailpage

....why doesn't video embedding work anymore?

 

Ha ha very funny
Almost like that but he talked differently too, like his voice had changed. Very weird
Just so far out there.

 

A thumbprint would blow any smoked dose of DMT out of the water. Plain and simple.

 

You have to remove the "s" from "https:" in links in order for them to embed.

 

Voyage I just want to comment on how much I love your sig quote about the acid test, and that I realized that recently on a trip. It really is true.

 

I originally tried that (spent about ten minutes trying different things, before I posted it).

And tried again now.... still not workin'.

 

:love:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fto2_YE5-W8"]bad acid trip from SLC PUNK - YouTube

That movie deserves a revisit

 

Robert Hunter did 250 mg of acid and has done DMT and he gave some mixed messages about the comparison. He said that DMT vs LSD is like 198-proof rum compared to milk with a couple drops of booze in it, but he also said that his 250mg experience was like crawling naked across the Sahara Desert.

 

do you mean 250 ug (micrograms)?

250 mg would be a couple hundred thumbprints-ish

 

Just my opinion, but anyone willing to take 100 hits is crazy enough to begin with, I don't think they've become crazy!

I do have a friend (one that I actually know) that has taken maybe 50-60 hits once, and he's a little strange, but not off his rocker pretending he's Oranje juice or however the story goes.

I have only had a failed experience with DMT, but it sounds to me that you can reac a similar degree through sober meditation if you leave your body. I've tried for a long time, but I eventually found each experience is its own. Maybe acid will be the strongest for you, maybe DMT, but I don't think it's the drug that matters. It's you and your perception or rather you and your experience. The drug just helps you get there

 

No, it was 250mg, as in milligrams. He mentioned it in email correspondence with Terrence McKenna here.

He says he doesn't do acid anymore since then.

 

wow. that has got to be stronger than DMT...regardless of how you measure "strongness" of a psychedelic trip.

 

^ You read Hunter's DMT account on page 1?

Hunter makes DMT sound "out further" Going so far as to say that such a term doesn't do the experience justice and adopts "xing" as a term. He uses almost exclusively terrestrial descriptions when explaining his 250 mgs acid trip but when discussing DMT, he talks about omnidimensional travel, the DMT 'pixies' and entities who have their own consciousness and he anthropormizes DMT itself suggesting it has a mind apart from his own.

This impersonal view of DMT is something I relate with and have conveyed when attempting to explain how DMT trips often feel different than something restricted to illumination of one's consciousness.

 

It's really hard to get to the moon without a spaceship

 

I kinda doubt the 250 milligrams. From all the crap I have read, that puts it in the range of requiring medical help to handle the physiological consequences of such a large dose. A passing mention in an e-mail hardly makes it an iron-clad truth.
Plus remember EVERYBODY exaggerates when it comes to how potent their acid is.

 

Man that's quite far out. I myself have an extremly low tolerance for lsd so everytime I take it I always get pushed far out into the cosmos. As for other dimensions I remember leaving my body through my third eye and entering this extremely....like indescribable realm where I asked who god was and a 4 armed figure came from the darkness. I will never forget she had 4 arms 4 narrow red eyes and long grey hair and she shrieked when she came to my face! I backed out the "portal" and when I came back to reality all hallucinations around me had become shaken... As for the lsd making you crazy I knoq it can! If you have dormant schizophrenic genes lsd can activate it! This mat explain why some people become schizophrenic. Afterall the closest nuero-activity comparable to lsd is schizophrenia which is why I still think Hoffman was close to that cure!!

 

Yeah, as far as 250mgs goes, the thumbprint accounts I've read described needing two sitters, and being ready to resuscitate the tripper.... And having fasted, to avoid shitting yourself with involuntary fire-hose-like force.

I could be wrong, but wouldn't 250 be, probably, past a saturation dose (as LSD is apparently quite efficient at finding receptors), anyway, and possibly nearing the LD50? (though I don't think we know WHY those mice died beyond cardiac arrest, maybe simply of fear, and once you're at a saturation dose more won't change that).

It seems totally pointless, there are people who claim to have used enough that they can or could eat crystal and handle themselves, so doses in the several-mg range. But 250? fucking why? And how fucking selfish....

 

1.2-1.4mg LSD was more intense than a DMT breakthrough IMO... but then that was my first breakthrough LSD dose.

I can now get back to the shared consciousness through meditation... LSD just makes things like visuals more intense, integration between multiple people easier... etc

I wouldn't have got there without LSD though I don't think... amazing chemical.

Now I'm using it in conjunction with meditation to notice the connection to my spirit and my own god nature better.

It's within every single one of us - you just need to tune in to the right frequency.

You can get there by yourself but it takes time and effort... LSD just bumps you straight into the shared consciousness with not much effort required on your part other than trust.

I love LSD, it's shown me some things I never imagined before, it's got more to show me, it's practically removed my useless fears, I no longer fear death as I know it's only a new beginning, I've spent time playing with deities, I've created new realities from a single idea, I've played with the ideas behind the universe we're communally experiencing at this moment.

It's an awesome chemical...

The downside to DMT is that is doesn't last too long, even if it feels like a timeless state and your memories fade really quickly.



Now... an absolutely amazing combination = LSD + DMT... you will experience multiple lifetimes in a night.

It pushes you up into the 6th dimension looking down on the 5th (it usually pushes you even higher than that to begin with, but you settle in the 6th dimension for the rest of the LSD trip_... you get to see the chandelier plans of the various possibilities of your existence.

It's like all possibilities that could ever happen to you and anyone/thing else are already mapped out... time doesn't exist, so all the other probabilities already exist simultaneously.

DMT + LSD (DMT 15-30 mins after dropping LSD) gives you the ability to spend lots of time picking apart those possibilities and looking to see some of the possibilities of how your future could turn out.