How the universe began

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by Kinky'n'Fun, Mar 12, 2013.

  1. Kinky'n'Fun

    Kinky'n'Fun Guest

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    I have heard many theories on how the universe began and thus far, no one theory can be proven correct. I am interested in knowing how all of you believe this happened. I know each religion has it's own beliefs, as does science.

    I personally do not subscribe to any religion. I recognize that there may be a higher power, but have not seen any evidence as to what it could be. In my opinion, if there was only one true religion -as each believes itself to be- then there would not be thousands of belief systems around the globe. For anything to be considered fact, there needs to be evidence and proof of it's credibility through experiments and tests which can be replicated and reported on by multiple sources. So far, no religion has accomplished this. Most are based on fact. I see religion as a way to explain the explainable without the burden of proof.

    I do favor one theory on how this universe began and is repeatedly refreshing itself. Michio Kaku spoke about this on an episode of the documentary show "The Universe" as well as various other documentaries. Essentially there is one extremely large black hole: significantly larger than a super-massive black hole that will slowly draw in all matter from the universe. As matter is drawn into a black hole, it is broken down by the intense gravitational pull down to the subatomic level. When this black hole gets overloaded, as black holes all eventually do, It will explode in a white hole. This will eject all matter in a 'big bang' thus creating another new universe.

    While this theory does not explain how the first universe could have been created, it could explain how ours came to be. As far as the first one, matter cannot be created or destroyed thus it would always have to be there, however, at the same time everything has a beginning and an end; meaning it would have had to have been created at one point. This is where religion, created by man, comes in. When we get to the part of science that we cannot hope to explain any time in the near or distant future, god must have done it and you only need to have faith and believe and you will go to some mystical land of clouds and honey in the sky that somehow has managed to be missed by every space telescope since the dawn of exploration.
     
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    Who or what created God then?

    It's a never-ending debate whether the universe always was or had a starting point that created mass out of nothing. Both are equally beyond human comprehension.
     
  3. Maelstrom

    Maelstrom Banned

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    Oh, what a sneaky little bitch. You bored me to death with the drivel above this point that I missed your nonsensical "god" comment at the end.

    I certainly have faith that "god did it" is not a logical answer.
     
  4. Tyrsonswood

    Tyrsonswood Senior Moment Lifetime Supporter

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    I thought it was a cosmic fart or something... no?
     
  5. PEACEFUL LIBRA

    PEACEFUL LIBRA DAMN RIGHT I'M A WEIRDO

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    The big bang ???
     
  6. Kinky'n'Fun

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    Clearly you misunderstood this post. I know that 'god did it' is not a logical answer. Read it again and maybe this time you won't fail to see that that was my point. If cosmological theory is too boring for you, then why comment just to call me a bitch and illustrate just how poorly you comprehend the subject?
     
  7. Lodog

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    God farted and we were off to the races.
     
  8. Tyrsonswood

    Tyrsonswood Senior Moment Lifetime Supporter

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    Yeah... that's it. Big bang... cosmic fart... Same thing I think.
     
  9. Ready2Rebel

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    Time has always existed. There can be no space without time. There can be no infinitely small space to create a big bang. The universe is far more complex than we will ever truly understand. We could be the insides of an atom making up some other universe.

    The apparent "expansion" of the universe could simply be the passing of the other galaxies as we drift on through our cosmic adventure to death or glory.

    God is not a thing, or a person, or a being. It's a connection between everything that
    exists. It's the universal uniter that struggles hard to keep us all connected. But humans have lost their way. They are systematically breaking their connection from the universal unity. But it is perhaps but a stepping stone, a learning experience because while we have moved away from nature we have grown more close to her in our desire to understand and protect her. Mother Nature is the Universe. She keeps everything in as much of a natural state as possible so we may live but she works hard.

    The universe is our catalyst we must make it what we wish it to be, not what some dictator god archetype wishes it to be, because we want it to be better than "his" interpretation of how the world should be.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo
     
  10. GreenGreenGrassofHome

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    Oh dear....someone else has got hold of Space Time for Dummies....

    The whichness of the why is the same as the whyness of the which.

    Space cannot exist without time which cannot exist without space.

    Spurious nonsense masquerading as profundity does not a physicist make.
     
  11. jaredfelix

    jaredfelix Namaste ॐ

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    First Cause, to a large extent, is an idea. First Cause dreamed creation into being. It is a powerful portion of your source, this dreaming state.

     
  12. Kinky'n'Fun

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    Wow. I didn't realize this forum was full of a bunch of retarded hippies. Lay off the dope a bit before the next time you try to use big words. Cosmic farts and losing our way from mother nature? Really? Read a book that does not have 'see spot run' on every page.
     
  13. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    Like I said in another post:

    Space begat fluctuation
    Fluctuation begat gravity
    Gravity begat motion
    Motion begat energy and time
    Energy and time begat matter
    Matter begat molecules
    Molecules begat life
    Life begat Man
    Man begat fantasy
    Fantasy begat God

    The universe exists from a few simple intrinsic laws;
    There is no such thing as nothing.
    Nothing is perfect.
    Space IS Something and space is not perfect.

    That's it; from space simply being something we have fluctuations, gravity, time, energy, matter and life.

    Cycling for eternity, extending infinitely, in all directions...
     
  14. Kinky'n'Fun

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    So then, what creadted the space that begat fluctuation?
     
  15. relaxxx

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    Nothing created space, it intrinsically is, we just have to accept that. Nothing is perfect, I admit that nothing seems most logical and nothing at all should exist. We know stuff exists so the next logical conclusion must be that there is no such thing as nothing. Zero point field, or higgs field, or unexcited spatial fabric, whatever you want to call empty space is the simplest form of "something" possible. Intrinsically, because it can not be nothing.

    Complex fields or complex forms are a product of time and energy. The universe cycles, expansion/contraction, bang/crunch, high energy/low energy... each cycle begins and ends with the simplest form, empty space. Consciousness is a finite extremely complex form that comes into existence somewhere in the middle of this cycle, for a limited time only, a product of time and energy. The good news is that space likely cycles for infinity and extends infinitely. Galaxies, stars, planets are all patterns that repeat, life, even human DNA is a pattern that will repeat in infinite space-time, infinitely.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GEebx72-qs"]Googol and Googolplex - Numberphile - YouTube
     
  16. Ready2Rebel

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    Space time for dummies? No you'd like that to be the case but conjecture gets us no where except into darkness. My belief comes from Sir Stephen Hawking himself. I'm no physicist as much as I would like to be. But this is my belief in the existence of our cosmos. Don't bother trying to insult me because you cannot insult that which is shameless. I do not care what you think you are simply a bunch of letters on a screen stored on a server I've no idea where. Nor do I care. Debate is a beautiful sharing of ideas not a catalyst for insults and personal attacks, except for those who cannot provide reasonable argument. The fact you jumped straight to insult rather than correct me simply shows your idiocy. If you would like to correct that, please feel free. I'll forget the previous post existed you may even delete it. I don't believe in the grand creation because it makes no sense to me because there can be nothing without something. Or maybe there can, but if you can give me a good enough argument I may be swayed. Until then keep your insults to yourself because I neither care for nor acknowledge them. My life is far more complex and interesting than any insult you can place on to digital form or even paper form (although I might have payed more attention had you written a letter but then I would be annoyed that you wasted the paper). You obviously didn't watch the video. Well then don't. I don't care. I embrace my fellow human as my brother and sister but if they reject me then I couldn't care less (note America it's "couldn't care less" as in I care so little I could not care any less. I've never understood "I could care less" lol you crazy ppz)
     
  17. tastyweat

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    We're part of a child deity, created by another deity.

    We're currently quite small relatively and growing - protected in a womb-like-structure.

    All of our experiences are adding up to its knowledge, to its understanding.

    We still have free will, but there are more-likely probabilities of paths we could take.

    The universe was created, out of nothing more than love.

    More people need to reconnect to their spiritual selves... materialism is destroying this planet and keeping us locked in the lower planes of existence. No God wants that, she wants us to be free - to play in her imagination.
     
  18. Eye Contact

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    I thought it was the chicken . . . or was it the egg . . . ? I'm sure it started with a whimper just as it will go out the same...
     
  19. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    Lawrence Krauss on Life, the Universe and Nothing:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUH77mYBUtM"]Lawrence Krauss on Life, the Universe and Nothing - YouTube

    A very intelligent man but I don't get why he's so hung up on calling empty space "nothing". Especially when he acknowledges that empty space is actually a boiling soup of activity (31:12).
     

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